US Election 2020 - Pt 3

[copacetic]

If that were true, and I believe it is, no law to mandate mask wearing is needed at all.

What if, and I say this seriously, a group as stupid as the extreme left were expected to do the morally right and scientifically correct thing in this instance? Do you reckon they would?

Dragging it back to the Trump / election topic:
- criticizing someone for potentially (not undoubtedly mind you) making a sub-optimal choice with imperfect information is just silly

Absolutely, which is why we need to accede to the experts in some situations, as they are much better placed to help us make choices about the areas in which they hold expertise.

- criticizing someone for not impeding the liberties of his citizens to compel them to do something that is so obviously understood to be common sense without any rational counter argument is also silly

Well, it's not common sense, as is patently obvious by the fact people have killed other people over a request to wear a mask. It's also funny how people tend to change their view when they have a terrible bout of Covid, or people they actually care about die. But let's assume this is all about freedoms - Why does Trump make the audience in proximity to him wear masks? Why does he call the experts idiots? Why did he make staff wear moon suits while when he got back from hospital? Why does he mock people for wearing masks? None of that has anything to do with personal freedom, often quite the damned opposite.

- how about some credit for shutting down borders (which would have had a MUCH bigger positive effect in the early days) while the WHO said it's "racist"?

Even if we assume for the sake of argument that the border order was effective, his subsequent behaviour has entirely negated that. His job is an important one, and he's utterly inept at it. The country has lost around 1/3 of what the Spanish Flu did, and yes, of course the population was much smaller, but this is the goddamn year 2020, and the USA is one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world (and simply dealing with a slightly more robust pathogen then seasonal the flu, according to several people in this thread). At what point does the situation cross the line of acceptability?

I still find it fascinating that there's so much legitimate criticism to aim at Trump, yet people fixate on the things where he either did well / average / made no real difference actually.

What would your legitimate criticisms be?

 

[copacetic]

And that exact expectation is what they're taking advantage of in order to prevail when the vast majority of the MSM is hostile to their message.

Bookmarking for posterity.

 

[copacetic]

And this is a great way of getting a thread closed.
Thanks in advance guys.

I contacted the mods quite some time ago and suggested they move the virus posts to a more appropriate thread.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Bookmarking for posterity.

Not really sure why you feel it is significant. I have already told you that Andrew Breitbart explicitly formulated this strategy.

If I could recall offhand the interview where he explained it, I would link it for you.

 

[copacetic]

/snip

Yeah, no. Sorry to everyone who had to witness this.

 

[copacetic]

Not really sure why you feel it is significant. I have already told you that Andrew Breitbart explicitly formulated this strategy.

If I could recall offhand the interview where he explained it, I would link it for you.

I'm bookmarking it so that when they prevail (in proving what they are currently leaking out of their face anuses) I can congratulate you.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Yeah, no. Sorry to everyone who had to witness this.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/

Finally, it is worth noting that even when Nietzsche raises doubts about this commitment to truthfulness, his very questions are clearly motivated by the central importance of that value. The Genealogy’s Third Treatise famously closes with the worry that the unconditional will to truth is a form of asceticism (GM III, 24). As Nietzsche observes, relentless truthfulness can be corrosive for cherished values that make our lives seem worth living: one cross-examination of the norm of “truth at any price” concludes with the exclamation,

“At any price”: how well we understand these words once we have offered and slaughtered one faith after another on this altar! (GS 344)

But even in the face of such worries, Nietzsche does not simply give up on truthfulness. Instead, he calls for a “critique” that will “experimentally” assess its value and legitimacy (GM III, 24). That experiment can be no other than the “life of the thinker” we met with already—the same “ultimate question” about the extent to which truthfulness can “endure incorporation” and be made compatible with life (GS 110). Again and again, in fact, Nietzsche presents this question, “the question of the value of truth” (BGE 1), as his distinctive question, the one centrally driving his philosophy (BGE 1; GM III, 24, 27, GS 110, 324, 344, 346; see also BGE 204–13, 227–30). It can carry such central significance only because, in Nietzsche’s eyes, the honest devotion to truth was both so indispensably valuable and (potentially) dangerous.

That was Nietzsche in the meme, btw. Along with Jung. If you want to know what's wrong with your attempting to put your ontology downstream of your epistemology, start here.

 

[copacetic]

Turns out I was correct about you being a philosophy student, after all.

 

[wbot]

Can't

Stop

Laughing

Meh i don't find it funny. 1/10

It's funnier how dumbasses believe she's actually 15 and are now calling Rudy a pedo all over twatter. He wasn't even aware she was pretending to be 15 in the movie.

But still, i don't want images of all these old ooms and their junk in my mind thanks

 

[SoldierMan]

I was in Nigeria during the Ebola outbreak and no we didn't wear mask since that is not how it spread.

Ebola can be spread through saliva as well I believe, anyway I was trying to make the point that you would wear a mask if it would affect you, so why won't you wear a mask to protect other people.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Turns out I was correct about you being a philosophy student, after all.

Not really. I've never attended a philosophy class in my life. I mean, am I a science student because I read about quasars? I mean, broadly speaking everyone with even a passing interest in wisdom must be a philosophy student... Philosophy hobbiest, that I would accept.

 

[Kieppie]

Ebola can be spread through saliva as well I believe, anyway I was trying to make the point that you would wear a mask if it would affect you, so why won't you wear a mask to protect other people.

I know, but I prefer Ebola. There is no getting around not knowing if you have it. So in a sense it is safer.

For Covid I don't wear one except going shopping since I have to. It's bi monthly so technically it's not even needed since I'll never be a carrier. Not the case for everyone though.

 

[SoldierMan]

You're missing the point entirely, I AM WEARING A MASK, I don't NEED to be forced

So me, specifically, I'm not inconsiderate or any of those things. If anyone's stupid enough to not wear a mask around an Ebola outbreak they will meet their maker soon enough and can have a fat old debate with him/her/it, not my problem.

Getting back to the point however: whether or not I wear a mask is my choice and mine alone, no law is required, nor should it even be accepted, to state any differently.

I disagree. You live in a society, to do so you abide by rules, sometimes those rules are for the greater good, like masks during an outbreak.

If you lived in the middle of no where and came into contact with on one you could do as you please, but you don't you live in a society with other people, sometimes rules must be made to keep people safe even if you disagree with the rule.

It's not an authoritarian rule, it's not affecting your liberty, it's just telling you to cover you mouth and nose when out of your house.

I'm a libertarian, but even we say that there are certain laws and rules that must apply to the society we live in. And if there is an outbreak and it spreads via saliva in the air an left on objects then you implement a law that masks must be worn. What if you are some weirdo that believes that they are immune because they are a wizard who cast a spell on himself to become immune, in fact there are some people in Africa that believe it is a white man's disease and only the rich can get infected. What about those people - that is why a law must be made.

Don't get me wrong, a mask is one thing, but trying to extend those powers is a dangerous thing and no doubt governments like the ANC would love to do so and that's where people must be vigilant. In fact one minister said he would like these powers post-Covid, to that I say shove right off.

 

[greg0205]

Meh i don't find it funny. 1/10

It's funnier how dumbasses believe she's actually 15 and are now calling Rudy a pedo all over twatter. He wasn't even aware she was pretending to be 15 in the movie.

But still, i don't want images of all these old ooms and their junk in my mind thanks

Here's his spokeswoman from June...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281354437987115008

It's objectively funny AF.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

And we have recordings that show that Poroshenko admitted to Biden that Shokin was fired without there being any evidence of wrongdoing

Remember when Xarog was outraged because Trump fired a whole bunch of inspectors general without there being any evidence of wrongdoing by any of them? Good times.

Oh wait...

 

[quovadis]

And yet you miss the broader implications of Biden's proposed tax hikes , yikes !

Biden’s tax hikes are hardly anything those who are affected by it worry too much about. The tax code is always malleable. It’s curious that republicans care not for the deficit these days. I wonder, should trump lose, how long before the republicans start beating that drum again.

 

[Pegging]

Here's his spokeswoman from June...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281354437987115008

It's objectively funny AF.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I disagree. You live in a society, to do so you abide by rules, sometimes those rules are for the greater good, like masks during an outbreak

societal rules / norms and laws are not the same thing

you can get denied entry to shops & businesses / companionship / all types of professional services for not following societal rules, all without a law ... that's more than enough punishment for most transgressions, including failure to wear a mask

a law is something used to throw someone in jail, you may think not wearing a mask justifies jail time or a massive fine, I don't, and I sure as hell know most politicians are too inept to be entrusted with making such a call

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Remember when Xarog was outraged because Trump fired a whole bunch of inspectors general without there being any evidence of wrongdoing by any of them? Good times.

Oh wait...

Did Trump say he fired them because they were corrupt? And unlike Biden, Trump was actually in some sense exercising his responsibility over the IGs. Whether Shokin remained employed in Ukraine was none of Biden's business.

0/10, logic fail yet again.

 

[greg0205]

Biden’s tax hikes are hardly anything those who are affected by it worry too much about. The tax code is always malleable. It’s curious that republicans care not for the deficit these days. I wonder, should trump lose, how long before the republicans start beating that drum again.

Election's November 3rd, inauguration's January 20th...

If Joe wins in November, the rumblings will start 0,00025 seconds after the race is called.

Mitch will try to spend a gazillion US$ between November and January to really blow the budget up and hand Dems a scorched earth...

... and the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments really, really kicks into high-gear at one second past noon on January 20th.