US panic at China's new ship killer

Interesting developments, though I'm more inclined to believe Peter's theory of the those sneaky American Defence Generals coming up with this story to increase the budget.

However, the American Military Empire can not rule forever, eventually there will be another top dog, and as always, the rest of the world would hope its a somewhat friendly new superpower.
 
A lot of the tensions betwen the two countries were lessened by Russia handing over some of the border. They are big trading partners and you exaggerate the relationship.

Oh please the tensions have been there for centuries. LOL. Even now speak to any person from PRC and they'll tell you that Russians are lazy and that they're wasting all that territory which China would utilise better - and much of which is Chinese anyway.
 
IMO Germany would have won WW2 if they hadn’t dissipated their strength on the Russian front and obsessed about killing Jews (good German citizens who would have made excellent soldiers).

Well they basically did that in WW1 - and they didn't win that one either. In that war they also had lots of Poles and Czechs in their ranks as well - so they had even more troops.

Hitler had originally approached Poland to join him in going Eastward. Of course the Jews would have to be exterminated and Hitler put it that Germany would get the Baltic Sea but he said that the Black Sea was also a good sea for Poland to have for itself. Of course this is not what the Poles wanted and Hitler had to invade by force.
 
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Interesting developments, though I'm more inclined to believe Peter's theory of the those sneaky American Defence Generals coming up with this story to increase the budget.

However, the American Military Empire can not rule forever, eventually there will be another top dog, and as always, the rest of the world would hope its a somewhat friendly new superpower.

This is the modus operandi of the Military-Industrial-Complex. During the Cold War the American populance was terrified by Russian nuclear developments - claims which were exaggerated - this led Reagan to come up with plans such as Star Wars which ultimately killed the Soviet Union (and thank God for that).

Now Russian youth are calling Stalin a hero, imagine Germans calling Hitler a hero, and the world just smiles.
 
Speer was the architect guy? I haven’t seen anything like this. The German’s are caricatured as dour, efficient and competent.

He was the Nazi's Armaments minister from '42. His autobiography gives insight into the rampant corruption and incompetence of the Nazis and the OKW.


However, the American Military Empire can not rule forever, eventually there will be another top dog, and as always, the rest of the world would hope its a somewhat friendly new superpower.

Russia or China being a friendly superpower. Wishful thinking.

Anybody see the Chinese military parade on T.V. A few clones of U.S vehicles were evident lol
 
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I agree..

America's economy is crushed, and they will soon not be able to afford their $600 billion per year military budget.

can you imagine what would happen to america's gears of war if that 600 billion were no longer available? None of their machinary would be able to be fixed or serviced. The whole system would come to a screeching halt. And if America can't handle some unruly taliban and iraqi's, wth can they do against the well greased Communist Chinese machines that have a billion "semi" slaves that will do what they are commanded.

Where do you think all that ordnance is manufactured? Those Hum-vees, those F16's, those M1A tanks, those assault rifles, those Pershing nuclear BM's? They are made in the US of A. There is no way in heck what you describe can happen.

The US could devalue it's own currency and make a NEW DOLLAR. Call it the NEW DOLLAR. Set the exchange rate at 1000 OLD DOLLARS = 1 NEW DOLLAR and the FED prints that. What do you think the world will do then?
Start a war against America?

Riiiiight.

Nothing. They'd protest and China would be screwed - US businesses would pull out of China, US consumers would stop buying Chinese goods. US would tell Europe and Japan to do the same. They'd follow. What do you think would happen then?

Well the price of iPods and TVs would go up. They wouldn't be made in China anymore. They'd be made in Japan, Germany, Korea, South America, Eastern Europe etc. They'd be a bit more expensive but - so what.

And Russia and china have close technology sharing deals. And America has got herself an awesome Ally in the form of Israel who sells American Military Technology to China who then go and reverse engineer this technology and reproduce it under a Chinese name.

You are quite arrogant in thinking Russia and CHina need to buy tech from Israel. Of course they have fairly decent tech of their own. But not as much, and not as good overall and the only military right now which knows how to fight a war is the US military.


I don't think all of the War Movies that Hollywood have brought out over the years will accurately portray what will happen if the situation would arise.

Don't look at Hollywood - look at Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq.

Afghanistan - some CIA dollars and stingers destroyed a super power.
Korea - the West stopped Russia, China and NK dead in their tracks.
Vietnam - The US had air superiority over the entire theatre of war, they only lost because the body count was too high and they were fighting the wrong type of war. They stopped this type of warfare in future conflicts.

Afghanistan II - Taliban - remember how people said that the US would be decimated because the Afganis would use dogs and children with bombs strapped to them who'd run under tanks and blow them up? Well the US got the Northern Alliance to win that war for them. Now they're fighting a guerilla war - but that's not the type of war they'd fight against China. They wouldn't even occupy China. That warfare type is over.

Iraq - two wars - they had air superiority on the first night.
And don't think that this sort of situation would not arise! We just have to look back at the last great depression of the 20's and what arose from that situation was WW2. Each time in the last century there was a economic downturn a huge war resulted.

Right so who would attack who? China could take on Russia. Russia could attack Europe. RUssia could break up further.

War's are a means to end an economic depression.

War's an end to obtaining territory, people and resources. China could get Russian territory this way.

China has a far more important card up it's sleave with which it can manipulate the US. The fact that it holds 2 trillion dollars. If China had to dump it's dollars and dollar demoninated assets, the US system would collapse. And China has just made another huge step which in no way is good for he US. look for "Beijing Put" and you will see that China is buying gold and which is a large deal the result of the recent rise of Gold to over $1000. The Central Bankers of the world and especially the US dollar are deeply upset by this action because it shows the Chinese are divesting out of the dollar into gold.

If China dumped those Dollars - China would collapse. China would be overthrown either from within (members of its Politburo) or a popular uprising would follow. What would happen to the US?
Well US would rally its allies - it would rally Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Australia - those are allies which would not really back away from the US - Germany may BS a bit, and France would moan but they'd stay with the US - then they'd recall all their production from China. Who do you think China would build for?

the US and Rome are looking remarkably similar in their collapse. :)

How?

Rome was a land based empire which had to maintain a huge army to constantly defend itself from marauding Vandals, Barbarians, Ostrogoths etc.
Rome relied on imports of grain and produce to support its population and keep stability.

The US is a self contained country with no known natural enemies which can touch it. They're like an elephant. They have an ally (ethnically and culturally) called Canada on top and they have Mexico which emulates the US and receives lots of aid from them - in the south.
The US has no enemies - will the Chinese launch a D-Day landing in California? Drill a tunnel? Fly via the North Pole? Invade from Mexico?

The US is also economically and agriculturally self sufficient. After WW1 the US pulled out of world affairs - hence we had the rise of Adolf Hitler. The US can grow enough crops to feed its population, its population is sufficiently united not to rebel and break up and finally they have enough reserves to build anything they want - houses, cars, electronics, medicines, etc. They don't actually need anybody. It's more the rest of the world needs the US than the other way around.

Rome and USA are in no way similar.
 
Oh please the tensions have been there for centuries. LOL. Even now speak to any person from PRC and they'll tell you that Russians are lazy and that they're wasting all that territory which China would utilise better - and much of which is Chinese anyway.
Which territory is Chinese exactly?? Russian and China have no current disputes of that nature.
 
Which territory is Chinese exactly?? Russian and China have no current disputes of that nature.

Outer Manchuria for one.

Well of course the two governments agree to cordial relations on a superficial level - The Weimar Republic also had no disputes with the French, Czechs and the Poles but a change in government changed that and Hitler made demands these 3 nations.

Secondly, there is a lot of territory that China may want, the Russians are unhappy about Chinese migration but as Russia's population is decreasing and Russia ends up a depopulated country (it mostly is now already), and China needs more land, tensions will flare up - as they have in the past. Only a naive, short sighted person would believe the rhetoric, even if right now the Chinese have bigger problems to resolve and the Russians still formidable.

Some more reading:
http://www.silkroadstudies.org/new/docs/publications/2007/Norling_China_and_Russia.pdf

In short, US and China have nothing on each other, it is Russia and China which is where the next major conflict will develop and as the one grows weaker and the other stronger there will be more incentive for China to simply re-occupy its lost territories from the Russians.

This has always been a rule in world history. Neighbours ALWAYS fight.
China vs Korea vs Japan.
Vietnam vs Cambodia.
Iraq vs Iran
Syria and Egypt vs Israel
Numerous African Conflicts
Conflicts in South America
Mexico vs United States
Britain vs Ireland
Britain vs France
Germany vs France
Spain vs Portugal
Spain vs France
Serbia vs Croatia
Greece vs Turkey
Poland vs Germany
Russia vs Poland
Ukraine vs Russia
Lithuania vs Russia
Turkey vs Europe
Greek vs Turkish Cyprus
China vs India
India vs Pakistan
Iraq and Turkey vs Kurds
Russia vs China (in the past)
etc....
 
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both russia and the usa will win over china. They have far superior armies, you can say in "quality"

Remember while the chinese were busy murdering their parents the states and the commies(russian commies) were planning to survive armegeddon. Elaborate defensive systems are part of these countries, designed to be offensive as well. There are so many contingency plans that it would takes years for someone to go through them!

Not to mention all the us and russian classified weapons, some still classified from the 1960's D:
 
Wow my post on a missile spawned quite a thread. :eek:

Elaborate defensive systems are part of these countries, designed to be offensive as well. There are so many contingency plans that it would takes years for someone to go through them!

Not to mention all the us and russian classified weapons, some still classified from the 1960's D:
Like Russia's rumored Perimeter system...
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all
Of course its on Wired so the article is exaggerated and not as researched as it should be but still, scary ****.
 
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