US slams crime in SA

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The magnitude of crime in South Africa “should be considered a human rights violation”, according to the latest United States Department of State Human Rights Report.
Among the crimes it notes as human rights violations are a staggering23 453 children raped, 1 075 murdered and 20 879 assaulted last year alone.
Government “generally” respects the human rights of South African citizens, the report says, but it argues that the blame for a number of violations can be laid at government’s door because it fails to provide a safe and secure climate.

The report notes “government continued its efforts to curb corruption, although public perception of widespread official corruption, particularly in the police and the Department of Home Affairs, continued.”
Evidence implies that we are NOT serious about rooting out corruption.
Travelgate let offs, Yengeni's 3 and a bit months, home affairs, arms deal obfuscation and delays in assisting the international investigations, child feeding program corruption. We hear about all these things but hardly any of the criminals are locked up. The rot is at the top.

http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=33794,1,22
 
Absolutely. Officials are to blame, not workers. Cover-ups seem to be more fashionable than improvements.
 
I bet my life, that some minister will make a remark that the the latter report is racist and is unfair towards blacks
 
Dont "slam" - withhold aid, obv with the exception of the most urgent allocations.
 
Freakin American racists! I bet those kids that got raped and murdered were racists as well. And the people who got mugged, killed and robbed.

Will watch this with interest.
 
Freakin American racists! I bet those kids that got raped and murdered were racists as well. And the people who got mugged, killed and robbed.

Will watch this with interest.
Huh? :confused:
 
Sarcasm bwana ^_^

I'm merely predicting the response our govt. is going to have after labelling the entire BBC racist.
 
Sarcasm bwana ^_^

I'm merely predicting the response our govt. is going to have after labelling the entire BBC racist.
Got it - Mr :rolleyes: can be your friend too :)
 
The government is going to play the race card again as it always does. IE, "Americans are die hard racists" or "Americans just want to be colonials" or something siff like the government always does.
 
The American's are colonials.

Colonials eh?

What Bull....

Sure they nuked Nagasaki/Hiroshima - that was pretty bad, and the war in Vietnam was not always honourable but overall afterwards they were angels compared to the Soviets, Commie Chinese and everyone else. Look how well Taiwan, HK, West Germany, Japan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, South Korea etc are doing vs hellholes like Cuba, Iraq, North Korea, East Germany, etc. The people living in the former countries
all have significantly better opportunities, more wealth and often more freedom (especially West Germany, Japan, S Korea) than the others.

I agree America is a bit heavy handed sometimes but they're the least heavy handed power overall. If Soviet Russia or Red China had rule over these
well of countries, they'd be hell-zones. Imagine if SA was the superpower US is - errr what a scenario eh?

The Soviets killed over 1 million Afghani citizens. How nice was that. Don't hear anyone bitching about that.
Colonials my hiney.... :)

God bless the people concerned who put out this report. Maybe it will get the government in SA to do more to prevent
violent crime.
 
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Good for the US for pointing out what most on forum tend to know already.

(Unless you DON'T live behind fortified barricades, can sleep with your windows open, and doors unlocked, and feel secure about letting your
children or partners stroll around anywhere, at any time of the day or night).

look bear in mind the US pretty much, despite paying lip service to sanctions against SA during apartheid, carried on more or less doing business here..

SA hasn't experienced the full force of a genuine all purpose sanctions..

Its gonna be interesting to see if the ANC can resist the temptation to
whine like bitches in response - or do the right thing and admit that
things are insane, disgusting and unacceptable in SA, due to a large
degree, to their inability to govern.

Personally, it might be very funny, if the ANC tries to get verbally
aggressive or hostile with the US at this point in time - as all manner
of possibilities emerge.

The last time big business saw its profit-taking becoming radically interfered
with, (mid Eighties) business leaders connected with the ANC in Lusaka, and in effect, offered them this country - as long as they wouldn't have their
firms privatized in the takeover.

The ANC never 'won' the liberation war, they were 'given' the victory.
They had the moral right, and the PR on their side - and eventually the
negative PR reports (ie 'violence') - began getting in the way of the expansion of various SA businesses into overseas markets..

The cost of maintaining Apartheid, was around 56 BILLION rand a year.
Something that the SA Gov and Big Business then, was quite happy to pay
for, and still make profit.

But various companies wanted to move into global markets, and the negative
spin on the one hand, and the possible total privatization of their companies,
should the ANC somehow through a miracle of cosmic proportions, manage to
militarily beat the SADF.. they could lose it all..
Hence the big deal struck..

And hello the new Government, who suddenly became exactly like the old
government, but in reverse - and business could carry on as usual..
Based on what's unfolding in SA now, the ANC clearly believes its own rewritten history.
Namely that they somehow, all by themselves, achieved power and 'one man one vote'.

Should the ANC be so dumb as to think they are 'really' in charge of SA,
watch what happens, if they say and do things, which affect the profits
of Big Business..or negatively affect the profits of some of the large
Corporations now trading in global markets, without the 'icky' stain of being
connected to Apartheid.
 
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From the US website, local media reported the following serious human rights problems.

Let's see. How about we compare Apartheid South Africa with the New South Africa:
police use of excessive force against suspects and detainees, which resulted in deaths and injuries;

Check.

vigilante violence and mob justice;;

Check.

abuse of prisoners, including beatings and rape, and severe overcrowding of prisons;

Check.

; lengthy delays in trials and prolonged pretrial detention;

Check.

; forcible dispersal of demonstrations;

Check.

; pervasive violence against women and children and societal discrimination against women and persons with disabilities;

Check.

; trafficking in persons;

Check. Nah, just in the new SA

; violence resulting from racial and ethnic tensions and conflicts with foreigners;

Check.

; and child labor, including forced child labor;

Check. Nah, just in the new SA.

and child prostitution.

Check. Nah, just in the new SA.



Sounds eerily familiar. Almost like the old days before the ANC took over!

The more things change the more they stay the same, except that now it seems much worse.
 
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From the US website, local media reported the following serious human rights problems.


Sounds eerily familiar. Almost like the old days before the ANC took over!

The more things change the more they stay the same, except that now it seems much worse.

Shhhh. It's all apartheid's fault remember. Someone hasn't got his daily trip to the brainwasher done yet. ;)

This country is so much better now! Surely everyone can see it? No... ? No??? :confused: :confused: ....................... :rolleyes:
 
A Nigerian fellow said it best
Democrazy? Dem all crazy

They say that you should be carefull what you wish for and democracy in Africa really brings out the truth in that little nugget of wisdom.

African countries got exactly what they wanted:
1) A chance to prove that they are just as good as everyone else
2) No more white rule or "oppression" as they called it
 
Also from the report:

The Khoikhoi, nomadic herders of cattle and sheep, were the original indigenous people in the country and have lived mainly in the southwestern Cape. In the 1970s the Khoikhoi were dispossessed of their native lands and dispersed throughout the country. Today only a few thousand Khoikhoi remain, some of whom work as farmers or as laborers on farms. Under the law the Khoikhoi have the same political and economic rights as other citizens; however, their participation was limited due to fewer opportunities, minimal access to education, and relative isolation.

Can they not submit a land claim and chase the intruders off their land???
 
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