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DaggaMovement said:
Yes it's says so in the description...

If this is true about vaccines how can we trust anything the medical industry has to say about dagga?
http://wakeup-world.com/2013/10/23/...-every-pro-vaccine-advocate-and-their-claims/
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Please read up about Smallpox, and tell me you'd prefer to live in a world where such a condition prevails?

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After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.[5] Smallpox is one of two infectious diseases to have been eradicated, the other being rinderpest, which was declared eradicated in 2011.[16][17][18]
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This is the reality that the anti-vaccination folks wish to live in.

If you want to continue the discussion, then I'd advise making a thread about it (edit - which I have now done).

You are new to the forum, so perhaps you are not aware that your behaviour is becoming borderline report worthy. Try to stick on topic, and don't just spam continually.
 
I think we should stop making vaccines, and start taking homeopathic remedies instead.

Imagine if you go to the emergency room with a broken arm, and the doctor prescribes a homeopathic remedy for pain? I would be stoked. I would be so happy to not have a nasty evil chemical like dihydrogen monoxide inside me.
 
copacetic said:
Here are the answers to your nine questions:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/nine-questions-nine-answers/
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This is really worth the read, as well as well as the SBM's response at the bottom of the article.

Daggamovement, I genuinely ask you to read it all, and reflect on your willingness to hoover up misinformation.

Ancalagon said:
I think we should stop making vaccines, and start taking homeopathic remedies instead.

Imagine if you go to the emergency room with a broken arm, and the doctor prescribes a homeopathic remedy for pain? I would be stoked. I would be so happy to not have a nasty evil chemical like dihydrogen monoxide inside me.
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[video=youtube;yi3erdgVVTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw[/video]
 
STS said:
You didn't even need to reply to the 9 questions, you just had to look a the links on the right :p

"Expert Lucid Dreamer"
"Meditation with eternity"
"37 Things to hoard now"
"Discover our True Ancient History"

I do find it sad though that often people get caught between two camps tho because this is such a sensitive issue
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I think Daggamovement has good intentions, but difficulty assessing information rationally. I do hope he reads the article and realizes the danger of uncritical 'what ifs' regarding anti vaccination loons, and the like.
 
I don't if you guys are familiar with it but vaccine research still holds the record for the study with the largest sample sizes ever.

The March of Dimes Polio vaccine trials in 1954 involved a total of over 1.8 million kids (420 000 vaccinated, 200 000 got the placebo and a whopping 1.2 million observed unvaccinated). How any idiot can claim vaccinology doesn't have a single study behind it demonstrating efficacy and safety when it actually has THE LARGEST EVER STUDY, is just astounding ignorance.

It is highly unlikely that any study in the future will ever surpass that number. It would simply be too expensive and too impractical.
 
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copacetic said:
I think Daggamovement has good intentions, but difficulty assessing information rationally. I do hope he reads the article and realizes the danger of uncritical 'what ifs' regarding anti vaccination loons, and the like.
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The problem is that he is an ignorant fool that thinks he knows what is going on.

If one is ignorant on a subject, one should probably start reading the basics of the science before latching onto conspiracy theorist websites. Otherwise you'll fall for the misinformation they produce and end up like DaggaMovement, spamming garbage across the Internet.
 
I guess I have hope that a paradigm shift can be started, with access to clear rebuttals of extremely misleading and incorrect information bolstering a current viewpoint.

My hope is fading though, as this chap doesn't seem interested at all in anything that does not align with their current position.
 
Imagine if the guy has some kids though. He is making their medical decisions for them. There is something wrong with a system that lets someone as dangerously ignorant as DaggaMovement make medical decisions for minors.

He isn't just ignorant either. He is worse than ignorant. He has actively embraced the anti-science conspiracy theorist stuff and appears convinced that vaccinologists don't bother to do research. Perhaps he thinks that rolling out of vaccines involves 5 minutes of synthesis in a lab after which everyone involved just put on silly hats and cross their fingers hoping the latest chemical they produced induces immunity for a random pathogen and doesn't kill people.

I mean of all the fields of scientific research he could choose to accuse of not having any decent clinical trials he picks the one with the largest ever trial in the history of mankind. Lunacy.
 
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My wife pointed me to this blog article just now. Poor woman, she's wracked with guilt because the anti-vaccination crusaders have convinced her that she's to blame for her child's genetic condition.
 
I certainly hope you put her mind at ease. Though I have to say I hope your child didn't have a similar condition to the one described in that blog. Not because of some bullschit autism link but simply because it seems very unwise to vaccinate kids that are immunosuppressed.

My grandmother dropped the "vaccines cause autism" bomb a few months ago and tried to convince my cousin not to vaccinate her kid. I love my grandmother but jumping Jews of Jerusalem she can sometimes be oh so ignorant and dangerous.
 
Copacetic, nobody is saying that vaccines have not helped with serious diseases. You can't compare that to routine vaccination for anything under the sun. The most widely sold vaccine has in fact never been shown to be effective. Yes flu vaccines have no safety and efficacy trials backing them. In simple terms they culture last years virus, kill it, and then inject it. So we don't expect there to be any and nobody is going to do extensive testing afterwards.

When I say I'm against vaccination it's routine preventative vaccination for diseases that are mostly harmless or easily treatable. Everyone assumes vaccines are safe but the fact is that there's nothing to show that they are and there has been an increase in several diseases coinciding with vaccination efforts. Even vaccines that may be necessary can be made safer.

cerebus said:
My wife pointed me to this blog article just now. Poor woman, she's wracked with guilt because the anti-vaccination crusaders have convinced her that she's to blame for her child's genetic condition.
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She may be right. I don't blame her though.
 
LOL the most widely sold are flu vaccines ? sure bud sure ....

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Just BTW the evidence for the autism was a 12 subject case study report .... just BTW
 
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RiaX said:
LOL the most widely sold are flu vaccines ? sure bud sure ....

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Just BTW the evidence for the autism was a 12 subject case study report .... just BTW
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Which was later retracted when it was found the author invented all of his data.

So, not even 12 valid subjects, 12 fictitious ones.
 
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