vegetarian kid

Lots of posts here already, so I'll keep my response short.

OP's daughter is not vegetarian, she's pescatarian. This is actually a very healthy diet, if not the healthiest diet overall.

IMO it's not cool at all to be "smuggling" meat products into her food. She's made a choice, and that needs to be respected, as long as her dietary needs are being met.

Shogun has posted a lot of good information above regarding plant-based diets. Don't be scared of soya.
 
My darling delight has decided she is now a vegetarian. Being 10yrs old though, she often refuses to eat certain vegetables. We've been eating a lot of fish recently since she is happy to pack away huge amounts of the poor critters, but I'm gatvol of fish now.

Any suggestions for child friendly vegetarian meals that aren't too heavy on carbs (she would live almost exclusively on potatoes or rice given the chance)?

Foods she won't eat:
Meat (red meat or chicken)
Tomatoes
Spinach
Asparagus
Sprouts
Eggplant
Avo
Peppers (red green yellow)
Peas
Mushrooms (can be snuck into dishes but never a stand alone item)
Cauliflower & broccoli (these can be negotiated in small servings that are directly proportional to the amount of cheese sauce available)

We don't get butternut or squash here and the pumpkins taste weird, so they're out too!

Inspire me! I'm so bored of my repertoire.

She is ten. Tell her she needs to eat all her veggies like a good parent.
 
She is ten. Tell her she needs to eat all her veggies like a good parent.

The implication being that because she avoids certain foods (like so many other children), I am a bad parent? Lame. :p

Not that I'm starting a debate on child raising here, but realistically some battles are just not worth fighting. I can confine my child to the dinner table night in and night out until she clears every morsel of spinach/eggplant/asparagus/whatever she has been served and have a miserable child all the time, but all that's doing is asserting my 'power' over her. There are certain foods that I find gag-worthy, and I'm not forced to eat them. She'll make up her mind what she likes and what she doesn't like, and as long as I still ensure she is getting everything she needs (like a good parent), it doesn't matter to me if its from chickpeas in humus form with carrot stick men to keep her amused or spinach in raw form.

Not to mention that it's probably harder on both parent and child to have a constant food battle at dinner time than it is for me to just put a bit more effort into creative cooking with foods we both like. Plus, she'll probably grow out of a lot of this stuff in the next few years

Lots of posts here already, so I'll keep my response short.

OP's daughter is not vegetarian, she's pescatarian. This is actually a very healthy diet, if not the healthiest diet overall.

IMO it's not cool at all to be "smuggling" meat products into her food. She's made a choice, and that needs to be respected, as long as her dietary needs are being met.

Shogun has posted a lot of good information above regarding plant-based diets. Don't be scared of soya.

Completely agree. I dont mind disguising veggies in a soup or a bake etc, but conning meat into a person is wrong, child or adult. I've bought a lot of veggie substitute stuff like veggie patties and sausages etc but I'm pretty sure that's not covering all the nutritional basis. Plus, she is really committed to her sports so I pushed that card and said if she wants to train that much then she needs to eat meat at least once a week.

But yeah, if you have any child friendly veggie recipes that you've tried and tested, then feel free to chip in :)
 
But yeah, if you have any child friendly veggie recipes that you've tried and tested, then feel free to chip in :)

LOL. Actually as a child I HATED veggies of almost any kind. I don't have kids of my own so I really haven't had a chance to "practice" on anyone. Tons of delicious vegan/vegetarian recipes out there, just not sure how kids would like 'em (not counting unhealthy stuff like mac 'n cheese).
 
IMHO At ages 8-12 Kids get choices made FOR them by responsible parents. They are too young to know the reasons for their choices or the nutrition required. As OP said the chid would thrive on starch alone left to own devices...
Now I'd be so careful to be very scared of soya and here's why. Not Fermented soya...but Unfermented soya

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx

Care to provide any reliable substantiation to this claim? Mercola doesn't quite cut it.

Soya is in all likelihood fairly benign - providing none (or very few) of the "superfood" benefits that some of its fans claim, and none (or very few) of the health concerns that its detractors claim.

http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2009/03/19/humupd.dmp010.full.pdf+html
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(09)00966-2/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/7/1769.full
 
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IMHO At ages 8-12 Kids get choices made FOR them by responsible parents. They are too young to know the reasons for their choices or the nutrition required. As OP said the chid would thrive on starch alone left to own devices...
Now I'd be so careful to be very scared of soya and here's why. Not Fermented soya...but Unfermented soya

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx

Yeah, about that... remember where I mentioned above that you need to read a little deeper? The whole fermented vs unfermented myth has been debunked. It's a pity that it takes time to rid the media of all the hype articles published after a "Shocking Revelation" is made in a book that's released. Dr. Kaayla Daniel referenced in that article, that wrote the book "The Whole Soy Story" (which that whole article is based on) is a board member for the Westin A Price foundation... whose stated goal is:

“to disseminate the research of nutrition pioneer Dr. Weston Price....Dr. Price's research demonstrated that humans achieve perfect physical form and perfect health generation after generation only when they consume nutrient-dense whole foods and the vital fat-soluble activators found exclusively in animal fats.”

In fact most of the anti-soy hype is generated from people affiliated with that one organisation. The foundation spends a bucket load of money trying to undermine vegetarian / vegan foods, and soy in particular.

Here's a review of the book the author wrote called "The whole soy story":
http://eatkind.net/wholesoystory.htm

It shows just how badly the facts were twisted.

Here are some articles debunking much of the material linked above:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html
http://paretoraw.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/soy-controversy-debunking-the-myth/

Soy milk is quite safe and in fact the phytoestrogens found in soy milk help prevent some cancers because they are similar in structure to Human estrogen (so they bond to cells in the same way, blocking some estrogen), but they are chemically different, meaning they don't do what estrogen does. Are all soy products safe? Well I consider any processed food rubbish, so no I don't think processed soy food is ideal. But that's something I consider to be a problem with all processed food, not soy in particular. Whole foods are a must. On the GM note, I buy non-GM soy milk (Good Hope soy milk, bottled here in Cape Town).

We can go on all day about this, but the thread will likely get a little derailed. All I can say is that a little more digging is required before reading a seemingly tragic headline and shouting "OMG, we're all gonna die!".
 
Care to provide any reliable substantiation to this claim? Mercola doesn't quite cut it.

Soya is in all likelihood fairly benign - providing none (or very few) of the "superfood" benefits that some of its fans claim, and none (or very few) of the health concerns that its detractors claim.

http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2009/03/19/humupd.dmp010.full.pdf+html
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(09)00966-2/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/7/1769.full

Only saw your post after mine. Then I realised how long it took to reply:P Nice links, you've found actual research papers. Going to take me the whole evening to read them now... and for that I hate you (not really, but I still have work to do so this post is a distraction!) :P
 
I would suggest you stock up on Fry's products - I think they're in Australia too. www.frysvegetarian.co.za
And then use www.myfitnesspal.com to track her nutrients. Actually, let her create a profile, but help her with it. It will enable her to learn all about her health and what sort of things she needs to eat. You can tell her that you don't mind her being vegetarian, as long as she promises to log all the things she ate - MFP calculates all the nutrients, and tells you what you ate too little/much of.
 
<snip>westonaprice.org</snip>

Like I said, Weston A Price Foundation. Really, I just went through this a few posts ago.

When you can bring up some evidence not originating from an organisation whose stated interest lies solely in foods from animals, and who doesn't have a crusade on plant alternatives (i.e. please choose any reputable research organisation), then I may take notice. If not, ima gonna jus keep on ignoring them links.
 
Like I said, Weston A Price Foundation. Really, I just went through this a few posts ago.

When you can bring up some evidence not originating from an organisation whose stated interest lies solely in foods from animals, and who doesn't have a crusade on plant alternatives (i.e. please choose any reputable research organisation), then I may take notice. If not, ima gonna jus keep on ignoring them links.

Ostrich. Hey nobody cares .
 
Ostrich. Hey nobody cares .

Noop, not ostrich. Actually the opposite. Just because you don't want to look at both sides of a story, doesn't mean the rest of us don't. The Western A Price organisation holds no scientific credibility whatsoever. They're essentially a marketing company. It seems their marketing is working well by the looks of your responses.

But feel free to post more of their "research"... it's like reading infowars.

Anyway, apologies for derailing the thread OP... just can't allow this kind of misinformation to persist.
 
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