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Please don't go around telling people you are a vegetarian if you eat fish, or chicken.

If you do eat fish, or chicken, you are not a vegetarian. You just don't eat red meat.

Thanks.
 
Awww shame.. are you upset about that?

If they want to call themselves vegetarians then let them.. they're only making themselves look stupid.
 
Trying to save them from looking stupid.

And yes... It is rather annoying.
 
Pooky said:
Please don't go around telling people you are a vegetarian if you eat fish, or chicken.

If you do eat fish, or chicken, you are not a vegetarian. You just don't eat red meat.

Thanks.
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+1. The first thing people ask me when they hear I'm vegetarian is "do you eat fish and chicken?". I don't know how it started, but there's a huge misconception about what it means to be vegetarian somewhere. People keep insisting that they know many vegetarians who eat fish and / or chicken. The more I tell them that they're not vegetarian the more strange looks I get.
 
True vegetarians don't eat eggs either IMO. I often see varying degrees of vegetarianism, most vegetarians I know do not check/don't know whether the cheese they buy uses animal rennet, whether the lecithin/emulsifiers/colourants in their favourite snack are obtained from animal sources or whether the body products they use don't use acids, fats and oils extracted from animals. Being vegetarian, unless exclusively for health reasons, is more than what you eat. For me it's choosing not to eat/use animal products (except dairy of course), not wearing leather/fur and also not using products tested on animals (unless it's absolutely necessary to test on them). Granted I'm a bit more hardcore than your standard veggie but I seriously rage at people who think it's cool to be vegetarian but can't even be bothered to read a fscking label.
 
Well I think you can only call yourself a vegetarian if you only eat vegetables. Nothing else :P
 
Zombrainy said:
True vegetarians don't eat eggs either IMO. I often see varying degrees of vegetarianism, most vegetarians I know do not check/don't know whether the cheese they buy uses animal rennet, whether the lecithin/emulsifiers/colourants in their favourite snack are obtained from animal sources or whether the body products they use don't use acids, fats and oils extracted from animals. Being vegetarian, unless exclusively for health reasons, is more than what you eat. For me it's choosing not to eat/use animal products (except dairy of course), not wearing leather/fur and also not using products tested on animals (unless it's absolutely necessary to test on them). Granted I'm a bit more hardcore than your standard veggie but I seriously rage at people who think it's cool to be vegetarian but can't even be bothered to read a fscking label.
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Isn't that vegan?
 
Scooby_Doo said:
Isn't that vegan?
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Close but vegans also don't eat dairy and honey whereas vegetarians do. They can still use/wear animal products in other ways and still be considered vegan, though most vegans tend to be "cruelty free". What I posted was just my ideal as a vegetarian and I'm sure many vegetarians would not agree with it.
 
Scooby_Doo said:
Isn't that vegan?
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It's borderline vegan. He's a bit more extreme than I am. You get ovo-lacto vegetarians (use milk and eggs), ovo-vegetarians (use eggs) and lacto vegetarians (use milk). Vegans don't use any animal products, including wearing animal products.

I am ovo-lacto vegetarian because I believe that we can harvest things from animals in an ethical way. I only support free-range products and unlike those he describe I do check labels. Lancewood makes good tasting vegetarian cheese from free range cow milk.

I also would not buy anything I know to be tested on animals or support any companies who do. Animal testing is barbaric and unnecessary.
 
Zombrainy said:
True vegetarians don't eat eggs either IMO. I often see varying degrees of vegetarianism, most vegetarians I know do not check/don't know whether the cheese they buy uses animal rennet, whether the lecithin/emulsifiers/colourants in their favourite snack are obtained from animal sources or whether the body products they use don't use acids, fats and oils extracted from animals. Being vegetarian, unless exclusively for health reasons, is more than what you eat. For me it's choosing not to eat/use animal products (except dairy of course), not wearing leather/fur and also not using products tested on animals (unless it's absolutely necessary to test on them). Granted I'm a bit more hardcore than your standard veggie but I seriously rage at people who think it's cool to be vegetarian but can't even be bothered to read a fscking label.
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Uhm, you realise that eggs are basically chicken period, right? Almost all eggs sold commercially are unfertilised (i.e. no animal is being harmed or killed in the process).

I'm a vegetarian and I agree with you, if you buy eggs and dairy, make sure it's free-range. Granted, you can't always be certain. As for leather, well, I think that depends on the person. Once again, there is such a thing as cruelty-free leather. The fact that you still drink milk and/or eat eggs means that you're still living partly off animals in captivity which will, eventually, die. When that happens, why should their skin not be put to use, it's just as much a part of them as their milk and/or eggs. Do you sleep with feather pillows? Down blanket, perhaps?

For me, the buck stops at killing an animal either directly or indirectly. The rest of it is a very grey area which is a choice you made the moment you became a vegetarian and not a vegan. If you want to have absolutely zero negative influence on the animal world then become a vegan, wear cotton, rubber shoes and learn to sew hemp.

I'm in complete agreement with the animal rennet, gelatine, etc that you've mentioned, although, I've never met an actual vegetarian who didn't make sure their food didn't contain any. People who eat meat of any kind and refer to themselves as vegetarians do more damage to the cause actual vegetarians have made a personal sacrifice for than any meat-eater ever could.

I do believe that as a vegetarian, as I said, you walk a very grey path. You accept your nature (you're an omnivore) and you accept that your life will never cost another living creature theirs. From that point onward, the decisions you make and rationalise are entirely your own. Some will still wear leather (like myself--cruelty free ftw) and others will refuse it. The only thing vegetarians agree on completely is that we will never eat another animal (which includes animal rennet, gelatine, etc).

People who refer to themselves as vegetarians when they are evidently anything but are nothing more than attention-seeking morons.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Uhm, you realise that eggs are basically chicken period, right? Almost all eggs sold commercially are unfertilised (i.e. no animal is being harmed or killed in the process).
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I just want to add here that unless you make sure your eggs are from a reputable free range farm, there is bound to be a lot of cruelty involved in getting them. Chickens sometimes have their beaks seared off and are often kept in tiny confined cages in enclosed warehouses where they can't move and lay dying and crapping on top of each other. I just mention it because your sentence could be misunderstood to mean that eggs are by nature cruelty free, which it isn't.

Not arguing with you, just pointing that out to anybody reading the thread. While animal products like milk, eggs, cheese, honey etc CAN be harvested without cruelty, this mostly isn't the case. In the case of milk for example the blood and puss from infected and over milked udders of dairy cows are often just filtered out. They live much shorter lives than free ranging cows and their calves (that they are forced to have to keep producing milk) often end up chained to the floor as crate veal.
 
@ TMoose, I agree with you. I wondered whether or not the room for misinterpretation was there, but I somewhat hoped that my advocacy of free-range dairy and cruelty-free leather would suggest that I'm also an advocate of cruelty-free eggs and feather/down pillows :p

Regarding chicken, specifically. My cousin is an SPCA inspector and you should see the conditions chickens live in :sick: Right to the point where their guts are hanging out of their rears and the other chickens feed on it... It's horrible.

I've always found that regarding most meat-eaters, they say that meat is too difficult to give up and yet they won't even try to be more conscientious about what animal products they purchase. I've honestly just come to the conclusion that some people just don't care.
 
I'm vegetarian but with vegan tendencies - i.e for all my own cooking at home, I'm vegan, but if I get invited to dinner at someone's house or go to a restaurant with limited options, I'll eat lacto-ovo. And no, I don't eat chicken or fish.
 
I know someone that refers to themselves as a vegetarian and they eat fish, chicken, pork and beef.

shrugs
 
Lycanthrope said:
:rolleyes:

Subjective fact: To me, vegetarian food (and the multitude of ways it can be prepared) is worlds better than meat ever was.
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Yes vegetarian food can often be very very nice and I have often considered becoming a vegetarian as I don't like the idea of things dying.

But food like sushi and prawns and amazing meat dishes I just cannot not eat.
I think vegetarians miss out on a lot of different taste.
 
Lycanthrope said:
:rolleyes:

Subjective fact: To me, vegetarian food (and the multitude of ways it can be prepared) is worlds better than meat ever was.
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Well yeah, i get the health motivations, but from where i'm sitting, all food(and the multitude of ways it can be prepared) is worlds better than being limited to a certain grouping.

I'll stop borderline trolling now. :)
 
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