Violent attacks not unique to farmers

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Farmers are not uniquely vulnerable to armed attacks, the SA Institute of Race Relations said on Friday.

“The analysis of statistics did not indicate that farm attacks were not a problem,” the institute's CEO Frans Cronje said.

“Rather it revealed just how vulnerable all South Africans are to violent crime.”

The number of farm attacks per 100 000 farmers and their families was comparable to the number of criminal attacks per 100 000 people in the general population.

According to an analysis of farm attack data collected by farmers' union TAU, there were 108 confirmed attacks in 1994, and 85 in 2011.

The highest number of farm attacks occurred in 2002, with 229 across the country. The lowest number was 70 in 1996.

In 2011, the number of attacks per 100,000 farmers and farmworkers in the formal sector was 16.8.

If it was assumed that farmworkers were not targeted, and that attacks were aimed at commercial farmers and their families only, the rate of attack was 45.8 per 100,000 (assuming three dependants each).

The rates calculated were broadly comparable to rates per 100 000 people for other serious crimes among the general population.

In 2011, South Africa had a murder rate of 31.9 per 100 000 people. The house robbery rate was 33.4 per 100 000.

The total aggravated robbery rate was 203 per 100 000 people.
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/violent-attacks-not-unique-to-farmers-1.1397515
 
If I average the numbers over 18 years it works out to around 1,500 farm attacks since 1994, assuming murders are included that's almost half of what the boeregenocide/censorbugbear sites estimate.
 
So pretty much confirms what any normal person would think; that violent crime is unfortunately a nationwide problem. Of course I would expect most of people who believe in the "farm genocide" to either just ignore this or claim its a conspiracy.
 
What I've always been saying. Farmers are their own worst enemies because they don't use technology to protect themselves, families and property. Plus some treat farm workers like slaves.

So inevitably bad things will happen to them.
 
SA Institute of Race Relations

With a name like that ... I would seriously doubt it's partisanship.
 
Fudzy said:
Well duh...



http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/violent-attacks-not-unique-to-farmers-1.1397515
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Stuttering much?

As from the article, I did not see the specific word "violent" to describe the factual history of farm attacks as we have come to realize it. Where does it specifically refer to the violent level or torture we read about, how many of the "general population" are brutally murdered and tortured like ET, scalding with irons, etc.

So really, again I miss the point of your agenda

This is just another brooming of the dirt under the ANC carpet, just like the reduction in crime statistics. The same idiots possibly created the statistics.
 
Two things that is not mentioned and explained in this article:

--- Old people and children are sometimes hacked to death and tortured for hours with minimal and invaluable belongings stolen:

- Willemientjie was picked up by her hair, shot and thrown in a box and her parents violently killed, nothing of real value taken. Why?
- Alyssa Botha (13) tried to co-operate with the terrorist attackers by handing her cellphone over and putting her hands in the air and was shot in front of her sister and dad. Nothing of value taken. Why?
- Mr Thinus Uitenweerde (55), stabbed by his terrorist attackers, dragged outside where they dug a grave and threw him in facing down and then stoned him to death. The terrorists went back to rape his 85 year old mother. Two cellphones and wallet taken. Why?
- This is but a few examples.
- Why this much voilence to steal simple items?

-- What is the motive for so much violence if in most cases invaluable items are stolen after the terrorists have more than enough time to completely ransack a farmhouse?

No murder in this country can be justified and yes other people are also murdered but my people make up only 5% (if that much) of the total population of this country and comparing our numbers to that of the attackers it is clear that we are being murdered at a disproportional rate.

This year alone we are standing at over ninety confirmed killings since 1 January 2012, see my link at the end of the post. Should we wait for it to reach a thousand a year before speaking up? One is one too many.

And no, I don't see this article as conspiracy, I just see it as incomplete.
We will not accept these murders as just crime and just like we will fight it, I urge all other groups in this country to do the same for their people.

http://projek2010.co.za

Kind Regards
Jacques
 
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Om die name en besonderhede te verkry van alle Afrikaners wat vanaf 1 Januarie 1994 deur swartes vermoor is, ten einde te verseker dat die volk nie in die toekoms aan “geheueverlies” ly nie. Om die inligting op datum te hou (nuwe gevalle by te werk) totdat die Afrikaner in vrede en veiligheid in ’n eie staat kan lewe.
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net die Afrikaners?

Dankie, maar nee dankie.
 
Picard said:
Are you asking or are you saying?
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It's quite scary that you're a teacher and you don't recognize the difference between a statement and a question. Here's a hint, a question ends with this mysterious symbol --> ?
 
Fudzy said:
It's quite scary that you're a teacher and you don't recognize the difference between a statement and a question. Here's a hint, a question ends with this mysterious symbol --> ?
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really.
 
wily me said:
Stuttering much?

As from the article, I did not see the specific word "violent" to describe the factual history of farm attacks as we have come to realize it. Where does it specifically refer to the violent level or torture we read about, how many of the "general population" are brutally murdered and tortured like ET, scalding with irons, etc.

So really, again I miss the point of your agenda

This is just another brooming of the dirt under the ANC carpet, just like the reduction in crime statistics. The same idiots possibly created the statistics.
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Wait so you're telling me the TAU is off target? Really. What do you mean by factual? In almost every post you've made reference to fact when it's more of a personal opinion.
 
What happened to that thread about White Genocide that was in Off Topic earlier today? :confused:
 
Jacques_mybb said:
Two things that is not mentioned and explained in this article:

1
--- Old people and children are sometimes hacked to death and tortured for hours with minimal and invaluable belongings stolen:

- Willemientjie
- Alyssa Botha (13)
- Mr Thinus Uitenweerde (55),
- This is but a few examples.
- Why this much voilence to steal simple items?

-- What is the motive for so much violence if in most cases invaluable items are stolen after the terrorists have more than enough time to completely ransack a farmhouse?

No murder in this country can be justified and yes other people are also murdered but my people make up only 5% (if that much) of the total population of this country and comparing our numbers to that of the attackers it is clear that we are being murdered at a disproportional rate.2

This year alone we are standing at over ninety confirmed killings since 1 January 2012, see my link at the end of the post. Should we wait for it to reach a thousand a year before speaking up? One is one too many. 3

And no, I don't see this article as conspiracy, I just see it as incomplete.
We will not accept these murders as just crime and just like we will fight it, I urge all other groups in this country to do the same for their people. 4

http://projek2010.co.za 5

Kind Regards
Jacques
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I'll bite even though I'm not sure you will revisit this topic.

1 - Yes there is violent and sickening crime in this country, no one disputes that but do you really think its isolated to the Afrikaners? Its happening everywhere - the same sickening thing - and sometimes even worse things like baby rape. It sounds insensitive but giving extreme examples of things that happen to one race but then forgetting its happening to all other races is just plain ridiculous.

2 - See now this paragraph pisses me off. "My people"... Seriously... So if I don't fall into the category of your people, then you don't care? This is why people find this "Afrikaner farmer genocide" so hard to provide support for because the people who claim this, seem to not care about anyone but their "own kind." I've never used or said something like my people except with reference to being a South African. How about trying to push an agenda for the high crime rates affecting all South Africans? That's something all of us support.

Also that disproportional rate thing is nonsense. No independent study has given validity to this argument. I've only seen manipulated figures or people extracting certain stats in isolation which people have used to claim a genocide

3 - No one is happy with the crime level in this country (well except maybe criminals) buts its happening to everyone. Taking a stand for everyone is what we should be doing, not racial dividing ourselves and looking out for people who have the same skin/religion/culture etc.

4 - Again, racial segregation is something for apartheid. Stop classifying people into groups and start looking at it wholistically. And yes I know some people (and in government) do make race the issue but some of us need to be intelligent enough not to give into 'race wars'.

5 - "alle Afrikaners". How would you feel if the government came out and said that since most of the crime happens in townships, black people in those areas should get the most attention to their problem? You would feel neglected, angry and probably cry racism and yet you don't seem to notice the hypocrisy in what you are saying. I also enjoyed the 'deur swartes' part. Those Afrikaners who died at the hands of other whites, meh its not worth fighting for, but if blacks did it - genocide!
 
R13... said:
Closed mind?
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I sincerely think yours is closed :D Take the "facts" from whom they come. The institute of race relations clearly is a South AFRICAN thing which the world MUST trust. There is a murder and then there is a murder. But you'll have to be able to think to see the difference and to do that one needs a brain.
 
Africaner said:
I sincerely think yours is closed :D Take the "facts" from whom they come. The institute of race relations clearly is a South AFRICAN thing which the world MUST trust. There is a murder and then there is a murder. But you'll have to be able to think to see the difference and to do that one needs a brain.
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How do you weigh one criminal atrocity against another? Does one white farmer killed equal ten raped black babies? No, this country has a serious crime problem, the only difference is one group has a lot more voices with Internet access than another.
 
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