[W] Custom PC for video & image editing

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Hi,

I have R14k to spend on a new tower for video and image editing. Any suggestions?
 
Get a Windows PC. Double the punch for same money as a Mac, or half the money for similar spec.
 
mastermamo said:
Hi I'm a post production and visual effects supervisor and lecturer. Get a Mac Pro. If u need any assistance let me know. Will pm u
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I'm not a lecturer but that's a terrible idea, anyway wouldn't get close with R14k for anything close to modern.

Also depends on the preferred software OP wants to use.
 
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How's this a terrible idea. I have several Mac Pros and have done work ranging from documentaries to full features on my Macs with no issues at all. So plz explain your comment. At 14k u can begin building a really serious mac. It's the best foundation to begin at
 
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mastermamo said:
How's this a terrible idea. I have several Mac Pros and have done work ranging from documentaries to full features on my Macs with no issues at all. So plz explain your comment. At 14k u can begin building a really serious mac. It's the best foundation to begin at
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Please post links to R14k Mac Pros? You did read he wants a tower, and not a Macbook Pro laptop kind of thing? So that means an iMac is the equivalent, right?
 
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[W] Custom PC for video & image editing

It seems u don't know Macs. A MAC PRO is a desktop and a MACBOOK PRO is a laptop.

MAC PRO (Desktop)
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MACBOOK PRO (Laptop)
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IMAC (The "inbetweener")
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I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why a pc is better for post production.
Seems I'm being asked these questions by the "Windows Brigade" lol
 
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But why!? Those Mac Pros are so outdated and massively overpowered by any modern PC you could get for that price.
 
[W] Custom PC for video & image editing

DrJohnZoidberg said:
But why!? Those Mac Pros are so outdated and massively overpowered by any modern PC you could get for that price.
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The new Mac Pro is far from being an outdated machine. It's something to behold in terms of performance and will eat most pcs for breakfast but it's seriously overpriced (base price 39k) and offers little in terms of internal upgradability. See these pics

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PC
Pros:
1. Relatively inexpensive
2. Can do custom builds
3. Tons of upgrade options (most useless e.g. Water cooking etc)
Cons:
1. Non aluminum chassis
2. Viruses
3. WINDOWS
4. WINDOWS
5. WINDOWS

MAC
Pros:
1. All aluminum chassis
2. 1000W PSU out the box
3. Only 3 fans necessary to cool it all
4. Super Stable Unix based OS
5. Flash based storage and RAM (new Mac Pro)
6. Almost Zero chance of getting a virus
7. Thermally super efficient
8. Can be left on 25/7/365 with no worries about overheating
9. OS runs only open apps so really efficient on memory

Cons:
1. Relatively expensive
2. Older Macs don't support full 6 MBps SSD (only 3MBps)

I've owned many pcs and did custom modding when I used to game etc and honestly I would never ever go back to one. They are plasticity gimmicky little things best suited to gamers who want everything lit up with garish led strips etc. I also however have a render farm with 12 nodes which are all pcs. These aren't used as OS machines and they perform very well. And I must also confer that there are a few custom builds made for visual effects that will whip a Macs a**, however these are astronomically priced. We are debating around a price point of 14k
 
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mastermamo said:
It seems u don't know Macs. A MAC PRO is a desktop and a MACBOOK PRO is a laptop.

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why a pc is better for post production.
Seems I'm being asked these questions by the "Windows Brigade" lol
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OK, so you are referring to a desktop Mac. Fine. So a quick Google came up with a price of $2999-$3999 for a Mac Pro, depending on the spec. That does not come even close to R14k. Please provide links to Mac Pros for R14k.

I went through this same exercise when my daughter started 3D Design. The institution she is at was just punting iMac and Mackbook Pro. When asking for the minimum spec if I wanted to go Windows based (my money being spent on it), they would flatly ignore my request for info and just refer me to their Apple devices. After asking here and on Carbonite what would be a good spec machine, we built her a Windows based machine for R26k, which was way more powerful than the equivalent priced Apple devices. Actually I don't think you could get a Mac for R26k back then. Anything that came close to her machine was over R40k.

The biggest thing was to get the GPUs that were properly supported by Adobe suite of products. Now, to answer your last question, all components can be upgraded at a very reasonable price compared to a Mac as time goes by. You also have a wide range of suppliers to shop from. And it will do exactly the same as a Mac. A Mac is not better than a PC for what you guys do. Ask any of the guys and companies in you industry. Some prefer Mac, some don't. It does not make the one better than the other.

So now post a link to a R14k Mac pro please. Maybe my Google skills here from Gabon have let me down. My price for a Windows based desktop was new, hope you were also referring to new Mac Pros?

http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro

So
 
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mastermamo said:
The new Mac Pro is far from being an outdated machine. It's something to behold in terms of performance and will eat most pcs for breakfast but it's seriously overpriced (base price 39k) and offers little in terms of internal upgradability. See these pics

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b366d587b227193c8f3573f8e9b400ca.jpg



PC
Pros:
1. Relatively inexpensive
2. Can do custom builds
3. Tons of upgrade options (most useless e.g. Water cooking etc)
Cons:
1. Non aluminum chassis
2. Viruses
3. WINDOWS
4. WINDOWS
5. WINDOWS

MAC
Pros:
1. All aluminum chassis
2. 1000W PSU out the box
3. Only 3 fans necessary to cool it all
4. Super Stable Unix based OS
5. Flash based storage and RAM (new Mac Pro)
6. Almost Zero chance of getting a virus
7. Thermally super efficient
8. Can be left on 25/7/365 with no worries about overheating
9. OS runs only open apps so really efficient on memory

Cons:
1. Relatively expensive
2. Older Macs don't support full 6 MBps SSD (only 3MBps)

I've owned many pcs and did custom modding when I used to game etc and honestly I would never ever go back to one. They are plasticity gimmicky little things best suited to gamers who want everything lit up with garish led strips etc. I also however have a render farm with 12 nodes which are all pcs. These aren't used as OS machines and they perform very well. And I must also confer that there are a few custom builds made for visual effects that will whip a Macs a**, however these are astronomically priced. We are debating around a price point of 14k
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Cons:
1. Non aluminum chassis

What?

Like the one I actually bought myself last week:

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2. Viruses

Ah, this bit of misinformation. Don't open dodgy links! Unlike some people think Mac OS has viruses too.

3. WINDOWS
4. WINDOWS
5. WINDOWS

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1. All aluminum chassis

See above, also how many people really care?

2. 1000W PSU out the box

I honestly don't see how this helps with video editing.

3. Only 3 fans necessary to cool it all

Ah, I forgot that PCs don't have fans. Silly me.

4. Super Stable Unix based OS

I run Mac OS on my Macbook and Windows 10 on my desktop. Both are equally stable.

5. Flash based storage and RAM (new Mac Pro)

Again, PCs have this too. Look up NVMe storage.

6. Almost Zero chance of getting a virus

Almost zero chance of getting a virus on Windows too as long as you're not an idiot.

7. Thermally super efficient

Ah, because it has those 3 fans. Got it.

8. Can be left on 25/7/365 with no worries about overheating

Yes, I've had to relocate my PC to the coast where the seawater can keep that nuclear reactor I have in my PC cool.

9. OS runs only open apps so really efficient on memory

There is about zero noticeable difference between memory management on Mac OS and Windows.



I'm not at all against Macs here, i think they're great but they are expensive and the to best meet the OPs needs it just doesn't make sense to get a Mac.
 
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I disagree with almost every point u have raised in your last post. Too detailed to go into here. I've sent u my number via pm. If u want u can send me yours and I will call u and explain fully.
 
So to get a MAC Pro at 14k you need to buy a 5 year old MAC Pro?
 
mastermamo said:
I disagree with almost every point u have raised in your last post. Too detailed to go into here. I've sent u my number via pm. If u want u can send me yours and I will call u and explain fully.
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Too detailed to go into on a forum where your points can be discussed? I would be interested in that 14k Mac as well.
 
mastermamo said:
I disagree with almost every point u have raised in your last post. Too detailed to go into here. I've sent u my number via pm. If u want u can send me yours and I will call u and explain fully.
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You can disagree but doesn't make it any less true.

But I'm open to you proving me wrong, so please post the full specs for the Mac Pro that can be bought for the 14k budget and I'll see what PC can match this.

But as I mentioned earlier, it also depends a lot on the software requirements. Final Cut Pro will make the Mac option look good, however nothing changes the fact that you'll be buying already outdated hardware with a very limited upgrade path.
 
mastermamo said:
I disagree with almost every point u have raised in your last post. Too detailed to go into here. I've sent u my number via pm. If u want u can send me yours and I will call u and explain fully.
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As stated before and a previous post, I am in Gabon at the moment. No phone signal in the jungle. But feel free to disagree here on the forum. I don't mind being schooled in public.:D
 
In the interim would u kindly quote the specs of your daughters pc and if possible since it's a built to order machine can u break it down into each component price
 
ice330 said:
Hi,

I have R14k to spend on a new tower for video and image editing. Any suggestions?
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Getting back to OPs request, I see this is in the Classifieds section, not really sure this is the right place for this but anyway.

R14k is a bit of slim budget, depending on what kind of workloads you're doing.

I would recommend something like this which gives you very easy upgrade options (quickly taken from Wootware)

Bitfenix BFX-NOV-100-KKWSK-RP Nova Black Windowed ATX Desktop Chassis Incl. VATR656.00 [ Simple case ]
Corsair CP-9020050-WW VS550 550W Desktop Power Supply Incl. VATR899.00 [ Entry level PSU ]
Asus Prime Z270-P LGA1151 Intel Z270 Kaby Lake ATX Desktop Motherboard Incl. VATR2,282.00 [ Latest gen Intel motherboard with overclocking support, 4 DIMM slots and great IO ]
Intel i5-7600K 3.8 GHz Quad Core Unlocked 14nm Kaby Lake Socket LGA1151 Desktop CPU - Cooler Not Included Incl. VATR4,199.00 [ Latest gen Intel CPU, would recommend an i7 rather out of budget, these CPUs can overclock very well ]
Raijintek Aidos Black Edition 92mm PWM Fan CPU Cooler Incl. VATR329.00 [ Good value CPU Cooler as the K processors don't come bundled with one ]
G.Skill F4-3200C16D-16GTZB TridentZ Series 16GB (2x 8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 1.35V Desktop Memory Edit Incl. VATR1,989.00 [ Very fast memory, slightly more expensive than the slower stuff but probably worth it ]
Samsung MZ-750250 750 EVO 250GB SATA6Gb/s NAND Flash 2.5" Solid State Drive Incl. VATR1,299.00 [ A cheap SSD for a boot drive only and some application ]
Samsung MZ-75E500BW 850 EVO 500GB 3D V-NAND 2.5" Solid State Drive Incl. VATR2,949.00 [ A larger SSD for your video files for the project you're working on ]

Total: R14602

Caveats:

This doesn't include a Windows licence, those are quite pricey @ around R2k - you can however get a [-]slightly[/-] dodgy Windows key from sites like kinguin.net for around R500 if you're willing to take that risk (I've got one copy from them for about 3 months so far without issue, time will tell though if I have issues later).

No monitor, keyboard or mouse - assuming you already have these as you mention you're looking for a tower.

Where do you plan to store completed projects? You'll at least need a large regular HDD (maybe external) or a NAS device.

Upgrades:

Getting a GPU would be highly recommended (almost a must but not in this budget) as it can significantly help in certain workloads, something like a second hand GTX 960 or R9 280X is around R2000 would suffice.
If you could stretch your budget I'd recommend the i7 7700k, it's quite a bit faster than the i5 but obviously pricier.

If you're looking maybe for something second hand then go and browse the Carbonite.co.za forums, you might be able to find a full PC there that meets your needs.

EDIT:

And one last thing: I'd probably wait until next month before making decisions as AMD is releasing a brand new CPU which looks very promising and may be a much better value proposition - we don't know too much now about pricing though.
 
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