Want to max hunter dps.

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To those other end game raiding hunters out there.
How do you maximise your hunter dps?
What shot rotation do you use and how do handle lag?

I think I am getting reasonably geared (Agsilver, Shadowsong), and able to doe 850 dps now. Got a new ravager pet but his dps still lacks at 200 dps, will get better as he gains loyalty.
But I see some other insane hunter dps stats on thus forum, of up to 1500 dps! What are your secrets, what is the best food/elixers to use.

But most importantly shot rotation, I simply cannot weave arcane shots in with the steady/auto routine.

Any help would be appreciated :D
 
Firstly PM Pornolio, he did wonders to my hunter

Secondly respec to sumthing likehttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cgbM0txRwuVoVVbRV
(dps builds are just not worth it if u dont have 5/5 mortal strikes)

as for foods

Major Elixir of Agility/Flask of Relentless Assault + Warp Burger/Ravager Dog + chain fel mana potting if u burn mana to fast, for your pet get Kibler's Bits + Scroll of strength (+80ap to it)

as for rotation, get the BM macro, and spam that
 
Thanks optioncarduser :o
Always nice if you see results from tweaks + respec in talents.
BM tree is more finicky than most people realize. One small change can do massive dps jumps or drops.

Most important thing I noticed on your build which you should rectify immediately is the lack of beastial discipline + missing point in mortal strikes as optioncarduser mentioned. The build posted there is my personal build which I use, you can boost it even further by pushing 5 points into improved hunters mark, BUT only if you dont suffer from mana problems. It will boost your pets damage up a bit.

Ravagers are the most focus hungry pets when it comes to focus dumping abilities such as gore. Have a look at your pet next time he goes into battle. I can pretty much guarantee you he is focus starved after the first 3 sec's in a boss fight. Unless you have a insane high crit rating, you wont be able to keep his dps up with GFtT. Pet loyalty must be on rank 6 and always remember to upgrade your pet abilities to the max rank. eg. gore rank 9, and bite rank 9. Most ravagers come with gore rank 8 so make sure you check up on that. Same with bite, only a certain spider in terokar forest will give you bite rank 9. One of the widow spiders if memory serves me right.

Use the updated 2.3 version of the BM macro after the castsequence syntax was modified. Older macro's will mess up your peak dps figures.

As for potting... depends how hardcore do you wanna go ?
I am a dps nut in my guild, and I make a point of it to knock those pesky mages + rogues off the top spots. So I pretty much overdo it most of the times... this is my sweet combo :

1 x elixir of agility or 1 x fel strength (depending on what you lack)
1 x elixir of mageblood
1 x ravager dog
1 x mana oil on my weapon
1 x scroll of agility V (+20 agility) <-- it stacks with warpburger btw.
Buffs I always insist on a BoM before BoK, if you can get both even better.
The elixir of mageblood + mana oil on weapon ensure I never have to go into aspect of the viper and I can be rather less conservative with mana usage. Going into aspect of the viper will nerf your peak dps. So use it ONLY if you have no other choice.

Pet :
Kiblers +20 strength food
Scroll of strength V (+20 strength) <-- stacks with Kiblers
BoM from pallies
Battleshout from warriors on pet

As for your stats / gems / enchants thats a looooong story on its own.
Dont even get me started on dps breakdown + tweaking, it might end up in one huge wall of text. With your level gear you should be able to break the 1k DPS mark. Anything higher you need SSC / TK level gear.

And dont listen to the n00bs stating agility is the all mighty stat, and everything else is a waste of time. IT DEPENDS on your current gear / stats. Sometimes just going for raw AP is more beneficial, such as in your case as your AP is very very low. I would turf some of your gems and put in raw AP gems.

As for shot rotations, it gets harder the more haste you add... currently I have around 156 haste which adds up to around 10% boost in overall shooting speed, add serpents swiftness on top of that so I am shooting at pretty much 30% boosted attack speed the whole time passive.
I spam the BM macro like a atari joystick button, and as soon as the steady is launched and you see the autoshot following, I instantly nuke the arcane shot, executing it properly you will see 3 arrows following each other very very close. Repeat cycle with filling in the gap with a multishot if its safe and there is no CC mobs around. Remember hunters strength lies in single target nuking. I am so closely focussing on my cooldown timers and weaving in shots inbetween I am sometimes not even looking at the tank or whats going on around me, I do peak at the threat meters once every 3 /4 sec's though. Practise the 3 shot cycle I mentioned in AB. Should be able to take a clothy with no armour buff out with one of those salvo's. Those 3 shots in a row usually kill them.
Practise that, and watch the dps meters when raiding. Wont believe how much DPS your little hunter can do.
 
Quick question Pornolio but do you leave Bite on Autocast with your Pet?
I always thought it's better to leave Gore/Claw Autocast and leave off Bite as it's pretty focus hungry and the cooldown is long whereas Gore/Claw can eat all your Focus constantly and will never lose Focus to Bite.
 
please post the macro, i wanna see if the one you using is the same one i use.
 
Yes... very good question. I always leave my gore + bite on. Growl off + dash off, and ensure I keep a steady amount of shots going out... try to build momentum. More shots = more chance to crit, more crit means more focus.
Keeping gore + bite on autocast you will see it drop very very low and sometimes run dry, thats where the 2/2 beastial discipline + GftT comes in.
Yes, even with those 2 talents you will still run dry from time to time, but I have compared the figures on dps stats doing it manually vs automatically.

Automatic gore + bite does seem to do more damage. You want to focus on your shot cycles, not worry about micro managing your pets dps abilities.
You allready have to keep an eye out on when to pull him away from a boss. With a cat its a different story. They are way more focus efficient (at the expensive of slight less dps though). Ravagers you NEED 2/2 beastial discpline + Gftt.

Macro :

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, !Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

Spam that baby as hard as you can and get those arcane / multishots in between. Other dps classes are gonna hate you.
There are other macro's out there, but I tried about 10 different variants and this one seems to top all the other with around 100 dps more. Get that 3 shot salvo thing right, use your BW + racial Blood fury (if you are a orc) + dps trinkets every single time its available. Also remember using all your dps boosters very very early in a boss fight, means it will cooldown in time to use it again on the same boss during the one fight encounter. Never be shy to pop all your BW's + trinkets. :)
 
Macro :

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, !Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

what does the exclamation mark before "Auto shot" mean?

i have been using the current macro:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/castsequence reset=2.52 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

i have been getting 1200-1300 DPS on bosses like RoS in BT (my gear isnt really great either)

armoury me Cmonkey on Twilight's Hammer if you want to inspect me

so back to my previous question, what does the "!" mean in your macro?
 
Tried the advise last night and got 920 dps overall in Karazhan. Not completely raid buffed, but I like the improvement already.
 
Crazymonkey : On RoS you should be getting around 2k dps easy, that boss has 0 armour, so you will see insane damaging shots, Crits are also around the 9k mark due to the no damage mitigation.

As for the macro, as from 2.3.2 they introduced a new syntax to cast sequence... It toggles your autofire on and off, you need to add a ! infront of your autoshot cast.

Also, I see you made the grave mistake of replacing your reset timer with from what it looks like, someone's weapon speed. Very common mistake a lot of hunters make.
That is not the purpose of the reset value. The purpose of the reset value is to tell the macro when to initiate a reset and restart from the beginning. 3 sec's Have given me the best dps performance up to date on our latency, guys in the UK with 30 MS latency tend to replace that value with 1. But then you have to spam it like crazy. And I prefer weaving arcane shots in between which the reset 3 is better for.

Make sure you update your BM macro to 2.3.2 friendly version.
That version you have is the old one they used before command queueing was shifted to client side.

@ Werries... fully raid buffed with your level gear you should break the 1k DPS mark with no problem following some of the tips I mentioned. Also your gear can be tweaked a lot more with some new gems / enchants etc. AP = BM's best friend. Autoshots makes up the biggest chunk of your total damage, and your autoshot damage is directly calculated from your AP.

If you use your BM macro correctly and have your firing sequence spot on, a typical raid DPS breakdown on hunter dps is something like this :
(On a typical boss fight where its sustained nuking and pet friendly)
30% of all damage was contributed by your pet
70 % was from your ranged weapon (shots)

The 70 % is broken down into something like this :

50 % of that damage comes from autoshots and the remaining 20% from your special shots (arcane / steady / multi / dot shots).
So it just makes sense pushing stats into your strongest dps contributing shots which is the autoshots hence AP.
 
I will try to boost the AP more. Sofar I have gone with boosting Agility and stamina to some extend as I love pvp aswell.
I have always gone with the perseption that agility boost AP and crit chance so it should be better than AP alone? Agility also scales with BoK. But never the less, I have quite a few agility/stam gems that can be replaced with either agility only or AP gems as you sugest.
Also need to enchant my new cloak and chest piece that would give me 18 more agility.
New pet happyness is also improving fast, it is now level 3 so can start boost its stats more, it is sitting at 260 dps at the moment.
 
The 70 % is broken down into something like this :

50 % of that damage comes from autoshots and the remaining 20% from your special shots (arcane / steady / multi / dot shots).
So it just makes sense pushing stats into your strongest dps contributing shots which is the autoshots hence AP.

mm, might have to work on this more, my breakdown shows 43% autoshots, 39% steady, and rest other specials (trap 5%, multi 5%, arcane 6%, melee 2%).
0.1% misses and 32% crit

I have 90% of the time a steadyshot inbetween autoshots, in fact I open with steady before auto. I only use acrane these days for last shot on trash when a steady will not complete, as well as with my Warth/trinket/arcane shot macro and quickshot/trinket/arcane shot macro.
 
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Yes you are right that agility boosts other stats as well...
BUT, it only increases those stats marginally. Blizzard changed that with TBC... in the old days agility was the only stat a hunter ever aimed for, hence the old 1 agility = 2 AP, they changed that, its now 1 agility = 1 AP. Its now more of a specialized route you must decide what and how you want to build your hunter.
Its all about balance. In my case I had more than enough AP, but my crit was suffering, so then I replaced my savagery enchant with +35 agility etc to get my crit rating up.

Dont let agility blind you that its the only stat a hunter should try and boost. I had a look at Cmonkey's setup, and for his gear his setup + stats is pretty sweet. His AP stats are very very good.
Think about it this way...
If you want to pvp, forget stamina on your PVE gear... just get proper PVP gear, its the most fun you will ever have walking into BG's with 300+ resilience. I had 3 melee on top of me and they were hitting me for mickey mouse damage. PVP gear is designed for PVP and PVE gear for PVE.
I dont regret one day getting my PVP set up and running, and I LOVE arena + PVP in BG's.

Also, agility provides, armour, crit, ap, dodge. (but in small quantities)
You are a ranged attacker, you shouldnt need high armour + dodge.
Crit doesnt scale to pet. Yes BoK will boost your agility etc, but to get the best of BoK, you need LOADS of agility like eg. survival hunters.
I am not saying agility is bad, what I am saying is, Large quantities of AP will benefit a BM hunter more. I tend to sort my HR first, AP second, then work on crit / haste etc. Once you get your AP up to the 2k mark, push everything into agility / crit. Massive improvements in overall dps.
Modify those last few things and you will go into the 1k DPS mark which you are very close to. Rest will have to come from gear upgrades onwards for you then.
 
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Thanks for advice Pornolio, I'm going Mother Shiraz tonight for the 1st time probably Illidary council as well. ill test out that macro and see :D

as for my gemming goes ill keep my 8agil gems because i like changing inbetween specs quite often, if i get bored of BM i switch to MM or Surv or vice versa.
 
Good stuff ! Please compare peak dps stats and give some feedback. Always a good thing if someone comes back and they have seen a positive increase. Also try keep the reset value on 3 and compare peak dps figures. I just have a good feeling you will be very happy with the results. Well I hope so :)

As for agility gems, yes good idea to keep them if you jump between builds!

cheers !
 
Time for some feedback :D

Been trying the advice, and with no gear upgrades, I am now doing 950-1100 raid dps. Thanks a lot for those replies here. I imagine with T5 gear I will get even better not to mention a upgrade in ranged weapon.
 
wow , didnt know the hunter class got so involved
and u sir know ur class :O
 
Good to hear you guys are getting improvements !
You will see, once you get the 4 piece set bonus of tier 5, you will see massive improvement in DPS again. It really is that good.

I take off a lot of my BT gear and put my tier 5 gear back on, on certain fights, purely for the insane set bonus.

Once you get to BT, its a completely different story with building your hunter's stats to still top DPS meters... there is a lot more careful planning required since the best stat, is also the hardest one to make it work for you... yup I am talking about haste.

Took me around 1000 gold, and many many many gems to get the sweet spot. You pretty much have to shuffle all your stats around again with your choice of enchants + gems. Things that will be taking a heavy knock is your HR + Crit rating.

Another tip for hunters doing ZA... that dagger that drops from Hex lord. (dagger of bad mojo)
Get it if you can... it's insanely powerful if utilized with the right gear. Its not unique so you can get 2 of them. After some dps calculations, with tier 6 combined... its gonna murder any other weapon in the game @ dps contribution until the sunwell comes out with the new two handed sword which will be the new mother of all hunter 2 handed weapons.
 
Don't forget the rumored legendary ranged weap!
 
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