Was Mandela involved in corruption?

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I’m referring to the time he was president.
Not his foundation or family.

If this is so then the ANC government has never been credible from day 1
 
Doubt it. Heard that he really didn't do much as president on account of his age. If I'm not mistaken the arms deal was done when he was president so the ANC as a organisation was probably corrupt from day 1
 
I happen to have a different opinion.
I think Mandela was the only member of the ANC that was not corrupt.
I think IF we ever do get to read the book written about Mandela that was squashed that we will see he was totally disillusioned by the organisation he let loose on this country.
The ANC and (all and every revolutionary organisation that has ever existed) is by definition, morally and ethically corrupt to the core.
 
I find it difficult to believe that Mandela was not involved in corruption. I think that he was involved in the Bosasa issue long before Bosasa even became what we know it is today.

Back in around 1995/1996/1997 things already came into place, under Mandela, for the groundwork for Bosasa. Their premises outside Krugersdorp were back then changed and they took over the function of deporting illegal immigrants. Police stations were ordered no longer to detain criminals in station cells, but that they were to be taken to the premises (of Bosasa). They would then work with Home Affairs to deport the criminals after months or even years of detention. If I recall correctly, they were known back then as Dyambu.

Not long after this change, police later got orders that minors too were to be detained at Dyambu. It seemed, back then that a private company suddenly started taking over a lot of functions from police, prison and HA authorities. This caused a lot of problems within government back then, but it seems it was kept quiet. The issue of minors being detained at a private company ended up in parliament in the 1990's. Again, this was swept under the rug.

Late 1990's, some strange recommendation came that all police stations across Gauteng should also make use of Dyambu. This caused problems with a number of areas, like Pretoria, Johannesburg and the farther stations and the problems that arised back then caused this never to happen.

Back in the mid to late 1990's a lot of policemen resigned on stations such as Krugersdorp, Roodepoort, Randfontein and the likes and they all joined Bosasa as we know them today.

So, according to me, the groundwork for Bosasa already started under Mandela. There is no way he could not have known what was happening. Back in the 1990's some senior police officers already warned of potential corruption and irregularities that was about to happen. These warnings were plainly ignored.

I think there are much more behind Bosasa than the corruption we hear of today.

I would like to see an investigation into Bosasa, before it officially became Bosasa and who benefited. Would love to see politician family's involvement too.
 
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genetic said:
Every politician is corrupt - especially at a presidential level. To believe that they aren't is just ignorant. Some are just far more corrupt than others.
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Everywhere in the world? Was Obama corrupt? I dunno, maybe he fooled me with his good looks, but he seemed more like a person at least attempting not to be corrupt that most other politicians. Or choose any other politician you think might be decent. It's often that case that in positions of great power one's actions have larger effects than most of us will ever experience. The weight of that and the stupid **** humans are prone to magnified a thousandfold...there's a difference between corruption and occasionally fking up, and I can only hope that some politicians are the kind that just occasionally fk up.

Or rather: I don't think Obama was corrupt in the way Zuma was corrupt.
Most would probably distinguish Mandela and JZ similarly.
 
Wasn’t the arms deal with chippie sheik under his watch?

Things will be kept hush so as to not spoil the Mandela name if it were true.
 
marine1 said:
So how did he get so much wealth by the time of his death?
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Mandela definitely benefited somewhere. Either he too was forced onto some company board(s) or he benefited from things like Bosasa or the weapon scandal. He may also have been involved in the taxi industry. I know a number of ministers were. Either he benefited personally or via family members. The whole ANC benefited from these things from 1994 onwards. Over the years a handful of them made hundreds of Millions of Rands.
 
Didn't know either, but he was the last president I had respect for.
Maybe a bit for Thabo Mbeki as well...
 
saor said:
Everywhere in the world? Was Obama corrupt? I dunno, maybe he fooled me with his good looks, but he seemed more like a person at least attempting not to be corrupt that most other politicians. Or choose any other politician you think might be decent. It's often that case that in positions of great power one's actions have larger effects than most of us will ever experience. The weight of that and the stupid **** humans are prone to magnified a thousandfold...there's a difference between corruption and occasionally fking up, and I can only hope that some politicians are the kind that just occasionally fk up.

Or rather: I don't think Obama was corrupt in the way Zuma was corrupt.
Most would probably distinguish Mandela and JZ similarly.
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I think the problem starts with the compromises they have to make in order to get into power. How do you take money from backers, making promises to them in the process (maybe even fairly innocuous ones to start) and not be corrupted by that process by the end? What do you do when your backers come calling for a return on their investment in you? Because it is beyond naive to think that doesn't happen. Or that you aren't caught between a rock and a hard place when that happens. You took their money, you promised them some degree of something in return and now here they are wanting that something.

Some of them draw lines between 'acceptable' favours and the unacceptable ones, and definitely draw a line at the outright illegal stuff. Others not so much.
 
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