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xtermin8or
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no, Angelo, I think they know it will change, they just can't get themselves to accept the changes, it's like pulling a stubborn donkey, even though you know it's better for it to move out of the road, he refuses to move
That is what I don't get. All these liberals voted ANC but now complain when they change the names. They rule so they can change names. Whether it is not wise to do so for various reasons is irrelavant.
You get what you vote for.
Yo Angelo
Well I hope things change for the better?
As Democracy can be the quickest way to Tyranny, I am afraid to say.
Many a Cad has flown his flag under the Banner of Liberty.
I hope that when all this Liberation is over and people start to settle down that our Constitution is still intact as that may be all that may hold this country together when the Liberators are finished or dead.
And to sound more philosophical, the old quote, "the more things change, the more they stay the same" is par for the course.
I do hope the ANC make a success of South Africa, by working hard and with hindsight and thought.
Tramping on the Afrikaner is not going to help in this regards and anyone who does so is foolish and will never learn from History and it's mistakes.
Work with the Afrikaner and believe you me, this Country will know no boundaries.
My 2c for this evening.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
Well most places that were named already didnt have any recorded names etc.. so it would have been hard for colonialists who couldnt understand the Africans to adopt those names. Not like they would have, but hey.
Also, alot of the names are for cities, and things like Airports, which the Afircans didnt have names for, they just had names for the land, not neccesarily the same thing.
What beats me about renaming is it has a tendancy to loose its value.
Like you visit a well known city for instance and you know its under ANC rule so you think that something happened here for that to have take place, hence the ANC get credit for an accomplishment here.
Now you rename it to Whatever and suddenly you loose all the history, the accomplishment and end up with nothing.
Its like working all your life to own a Ferrari, then 30 years down the road you finally saved anough money to buy one and just before you go out to show off your accomplishment, you rename it to some unknown make.
Like you visit a well known city for instance and you know its under ANC rule so you think that something happened here for that to have take place, hence the ANC get credit for an accomplishment here.
Now you rename it to Whatever and suddenly you loose all the history, the accomplishment and end up with nothing.
Its like working all your life to own a Ferrari, then 30 years down the road you finally saved anough money to buy one and just before you go out to show off your accomplishment, you rename it to some unknown make.
DigitalSoldier
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But you do know that its not just some white people opposed to the name change, even on this forum there are non-whites talking about how stupid this idea is and what a waste of money it is.
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Define "sweeping changes" please. What do you think is going to be the end results? What are your plans and ideals?
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kingrob
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You know what, I don't think there is a donkey standing in the road.
I think the road is wide open, but the donkey has been created to point to when people start asking why there is so much corruption, why are the poor not getting the money, why is an innocent baby shot on his mother's back, why are people being murdered daily, why are schools being vandalized for no reason - it's easy, just point at the donkey.
The thing is, people in a democratic society have the right to hold government accountable to spend their tax money wisely and be able to physically see the difference it's making to the country & its people.
That's why it's also important to have a free press, to scrutinize the ruling party, inform the people and be the watchdog for the people.
Let's hope we are always allowed our opinions, even if it differ from other people and, if there must be a donkey, let's hope it's grazing next to the road.
Skeptik
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How would you know this for a fact?? Unless you are part of the higher echelon of the government you are just speculating.
Nobody expected everything to stay the same. They did expect those represented at the negotiations to actually honour the agreement. There was NO war, so no VICTORY. It was a SETTLEMENT. Does that give the governing party the right to take the SPOILS and make such changes as if they won a VICTORY?
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kingrob
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Interesting you mentioned that - we WERE very close to a civil war in 1994.
Have read the book written by the first ANC appointed SABC newschief (white guy, can't remember his name) and he mentioned in it that soon after the 1994 elections, Nelson Mandela went to meet with Constand Viljoen, because they were ready to overthrow the government. Thank God they reached an agreement....
Why? Wanted to overthrow the ANC?
Skeptik
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Umm nope. According to my sources, the ANC were in major k*k at that time. Their senior cadre were spread throughout northern Africa & the rest of the world. The ANC were battling the PAC. Their sponsors had dimished. Many were in jail and morale was very low.
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kingrob
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I read the book and gave it to my mom, will ask her tomorrow what the name of the book is + author.
chiskop
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Alistair Sparks - Tomorrow is another country?
Reread that book, or any history of the country between 1990 and 1994 - it really is a miracle that we got to the point that are arguing about whatever it is that this thread is about, without having passed through civil war.
[and EDIT: I think that Sparks was the "first ANC appointed SABC newschief" only in the sense that he wasn't Nat-appointed]
Reread that book, or any history of the country between 1990 and 1994 - it really is a miracle that we got to the point that are arguing about whatever it is that this thread is about, without having passed through civil war.
[and EDIT: I think that Sparks was the "first ANC appointed SABC newschief" only in the sense that he wasn't Nat-appointed]
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Doges
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Mmmm, we must have been quite naive. To think that the changes would have meant a FREE SA for all her citizens, including Afrikaners? We thought the sweeping changes meant equal opportunities for all, not the reverse discrimination and rampant racism perpetuated by the ANC? When we thought of sweeping changes we thought people would stop throwing rocks, burning tyres and toy-toying and start working togeteher to make SA even greater than she was?
And now. What did we get? Crime is spiralling out of control because of incompetence and we get racist share offerings were only people of a certain COLOR can buy shares (Racism in it's most base form) and taxi drivers protest because they have to abide by traffic rules. And we get a few stupid name changes.
Renaming areas I can understand as it is conceivable that these areas had names in the native languages (would have been more fair to use the Khoi-San names, as even the black tribes came from the north and displaced the Khoi-San from Southern Africa. But hey, don't let facts ruin a good piece of propoganda!)
Mmm, so Pretoria was a bustling metropole called "Tshwane" (A fictional chief with no basis in history) when Andries Pretorius settled there? And I suppose Cape Town had a huge harboour exporting goods all over fairy land? O yes, and don't forget Jan Smuts Airport. It was the largest working airport in Africa when the Afrikaner people settled on the witwatersrand and renamed it after someone not even born yet? Same goes for all other towns. When these towns were founded there were nothing there except for a few nomadic tribes. (Mostly a town developed round the church). They did not take over any existing towns and renamed it "Civilization" style. It does not make one civ better than another. It is just a fact. Renaming these places would not change that fact. Building new places (airports, harbors, roads) and renaming it after struggle heroes would send a much more powerfull message to the world. And will do much more for nation building than what's happening now.....
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kingrob
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Yes, that's the book. Very interesting read.
Skeptik
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"ANC appointed" : well that speaks volumes. Even less reason to believe anything that passes his lips. Look at Snuki, the ANC appointee at the SABC for example.