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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...yvon-martin-becomes-national-story-about-race

There are some days that I think that we in this country have issues that are uniquely ours and that the rest of the world, just hold hands and sing camp fire songs together,..... but of late I am coming to the realisation, that we have our problems, and at glacier pace, at times, work through it....then you look to the rest of the world and realise, they just hiding from the facts, and the reality -----we do not see the real news, and issues that are hidden....
 
Not just that, if anyone has ever read a Dexter novel and read about the things people do in Miama, then actually googled the things people do in Miama ... *shudders*
 
Not just that, if anyone has ever read a Dexter novel and read about the things people do in Miama, then actually googled the things people do in Miama ... *shudders*

Miama? Are you related to news24? There's a reason why fark.com has a Florida tag.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._s_killer_hasn_t_been_prosecuted_.single.html

The story of Trayvon Martin’s death is heartbreaking. If you have missed the facts: The 17-year-old, who is black, was walking to a friend’s home in a gated community in Sanford, Fla., when a white neighborhood-watch volunteer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, spotted him. Zimmerman called the cops to report a suspicious person. They told him not to follow. “They always get away,” Zimmerman told dispatch in a 911 call released Friday, and he kept tracking Martin. Zimmerman had a gun. Martin was carrying only an ice tea and the Skittles he’d just bought at the store. The two had a struggle that no one saw. Hearing shots, neighbors called 911. In one call that’s hard to listen to, a woman anxiously says she can hear someone calling for help while in the background, a terrified, wailing voice pleads, "No! No!"

Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, but he said he did so in self-defense. The shocker of this case so far is that the Sanford police say they don’t have enough evidence to dispute Zimmerman’s claim and arrest him. Martin’s mother told the Today show Monday morning that her son was killed “because of the color of his skin,” and his parents want the FBI to investigate. With these facts, you can see why.

How did we get to a place where Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense, which seems barely plausible, could prevent his arrest? The answer starts with the “Stand Your Ground” law that Florida passed in 2005. The idea was to give people who think they are being threatened the right to use force: They can protect themselves without first trying to retreat. The history behind that controversial idea is actually about gender, not race. It involves the intersection between the fight against domestic violence and the agenda of the National Rifle Association.

Let’s back up, with the help of Jeannie Suk, a Harvard law professor who wrote an article in 2008 that I’ll rely on for the next few paragraphs. In the 17th century, English common law held that people whose lives were threatened in a public place could use deadly force to defend themselves only after retreating as far as possible. It was up to the king and his men to keep the peace, and everyone else was supposed to stand aside. There was only one exception: If someone broke into your house, you could kill him without retreating.

This is called the Castle Doctrine, after the old saying that a man’s house is his castle. It makes intuitive sense—a limited exception to the duty to retreat that leaves the rule in place. But when the Castle Doctrine made its way to America, Suk says, some courts expanded it. Now someone under attack could "repel force by force" if he was attacked "in a place where he has a right to be." That’s how the Supreme Court put it in 1895. This is amazingly called the “true man” doctrine, from a line in an 1876 case: “A true man, who is without fault, is not obliged to fly from an assailant, who by violence or surprise, maliciously seeks to take his life or do him enormous bodily harm.”

Not all the states adopted the true man doctrine. And 100 years later, courts and legislatures faced a new problem: What to do with women who said they were victims of domestic violence and had killed their husbands to save themselves? Did you have a right not to retreat if the person coming after you lived under the same roof? At first, the answer was no, to the fury of feminists. Then in 1999, the Florida Supreme Court said a woman who shot and killed her husband during a violent fight at home could successfully call on the Castle Doctrine to argue self-defense. “It is now widely recognized that domestic violence attacks are often repeated over time, and escape from the home is rarely possible without the threat of great personal violence or death,” the court wrote.

Suk calls this revision of the true-man rule to encompass domestic violence transformative, and you can see why. The new rules made for more shooting and less retreating. And they set the stage for Florida to ditch the duty to retreat entirely, which the legislature did in passing the nation’s first Stand Your Ground law in 2005.

Florida’s new law did three things: It further loosened the restrictions on using deadly force at home. It scrapped the duty to retreat in public places. And it gave people who use self-defense civil and criminal immunity. Pushing for these changes, NRA President Marion Hammer focused on women and their need to protect themselves. “You can’t expect a victim to wait and ask, ‘Excuse me, Mr. Criminal, are you going to rape me and kill me, or are you just going to beat me up and steal my television?” she said.

Prosecutors opposed the Stand Your Ground law, and they still complain about it. "It is an abomination," former Broward County Prosecutor David Frankel told the Sun Sentinel in January. "The ultimate intent might be good, but in practice, people take the opportunity to shoot first and say later they had a justification. It almost gives them a free pass to shoot." The quote comes from a story about a former sheriff’s deputy, Maury Hernandez, who killed an unarmed homeless man in a Haagen-Dazs shop on a Saturday afternoon. Hernandez, who was with his children, said the man aggressively asked for money and then tried to assault him. Witnesses said Hernandez warned the man several times before taking out his gun and firing multiple times. The police said they wouldn’t charge Hernandez for the shooting because he claimed he was under attack.

It’s that decision not to press charges that makes Stand Your Ground laws, which a bunch of other states have adopted, a crazy departure from the past. It’s one thing to raise self-defense at trial. It’s another to have what the Florida Supreme Court calls “true immunity.” True immunity, the court said, means a trial judge can dismiss a prosecution, based on a Stand Your Ground assertion, before trial begins.

At least there’s supposed to be a hearing before that happens, at which the defendant has the burden of proof. And yet as the Hernandez and Martin’s case shows, Stand Your Ground laws often lead prosecutors to decide against so much as bringing charges. According to the Sun Sentinel, “In case after case during the past six years, Floridians who shot and killed unarmed opponents have not been prosecuted.”

Now the death of Trayvon Martin is the latest in that line. Maybe this is the kind of case that is so sad and so tinged with racism that Florida will think hard about the very scary place where their self-defense laws have taken them. Maybe.
 
i dont see the racism in the word they, they could mean anything in that context. people just looking for another racial excuse to blow up everything out of proportion and to use race as another reason for a murder, it really could have been self defence.. without hearing any recordings and just reading the news articles, there is no proof that this was a killing due to colour.

until further proof is provided im keeping my opinion with held on this 1.

EDIT: according to the article he is spanish so that could also mean that he isnt very well spoken in the english language and "they" then would refer to robbers or bad guys in my opinion
 
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i dont see the racism in the word they, they could mean anything in that context. people just looking for another racial excuse to blow up everything.. without hearing any recordings and just reading the news articles, there is no proof that this was a killing due to colour.

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't. I don't like reading news stories that are written like fictional pieces to rile up emotion, it's not how journalism should come across.
 
We must not make assumptions. The guy could have meant they as in "criminals".

We must be careful not to translate an event half way across the world into out paradigm.

To find out if this is a successful care we should look at the stats and see if there has been a reduction in domestic violence against women and if more muggers and burglars have been shot. If so then a balance needs to be struck with this law.

I personally have issues with any state that says I have to get mugged etc then report it to the police and hope for the best. Given the opportunity I will shoot the bastard and report the shooting.
 
*Miami :p no idea why i have this urge to put an a on Miami :p
 
Did George Zimmerman, the infamous yet-to-be-arrested shooter of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, say "****ing coons" in his 911 call? Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks share their take. Many already believe Zimmeran singled out Martin as 'suspicious' simply because he was black.

[video=youtube;vNI5CA5jijw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI5CA5jijw[/video]
 
Did George Zimmerman, the infamous yet-to-be-arrested shooter of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, say "****ing coons" in his 911 call? Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks share their take. Many already believe Zimmeran singled out Martin as 'suspicious' simply because he was black.

[video=youtube;vNI5CA5jijw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI5CA5jijw[/video]

Put aside the racial arguement, what gets me,....someone is able to persuade, in this case an unarmed kid, initiate a confrontation, kill the kid and then claim self defence...WTF!!! The police, were just too happy to accept Mr Zimmerman account of events, ....if it was not for the power of social media, this incident would have just become another statistic of the "Stand your Ground" madness...- there are some sick souls out there....thinking they are a law onto themselves...
 
What self defence?
Was he afraid of getting attacked by a teenager?
A teenager with a bag of Skittles?
While he had a gun?

And judging from that image in the video he looks like he might also be physically bigger than the teenager.
 
still don't see why racism is even mentioned. But it usually is when a black guy is a victim.
 
still don't see why racism is even mentioned. But it usually is when a black guy is a victim.

white, blue, opaque, slightly off green, - does not really matter to me, what gets me that , a law like "Stand Your Ground" was enacted, that allows mad men, and I put Mr Zimmerman in that column, to kill, and then claim self defence. What sort of a warped society allows such laws...clearly Florida is not as friendly as the Golden Girls made it out to be...
 
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