We were warned

[SubtleBeast]

Finance minister Enoch Godongwana warned earlier this year that government departments and municipalities should keep their wage bills under control or face the consequences. This warnings were largely ignored.

Why is it always: "wages are too high"?
Sure the public sector is bloated, but that's not SA's biggest problem.
He should've rather "warned" about the excesses of Cabinet and Parliamentarians.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Why is it always: "wages are too high"?
Sure the public sector is bloated, but that's not SA's biggest problem.
He should've rather "warned" about the excesses of Cabinet and Parliamentarians.

Unfortunately for us, the biggest drain on our coffers are not the Cabinet or Parliamentarians, its the rank and file bloated Public Service.

 

[SubtleBeast]

Unfortunately for us, the biggest drain on our coffers are not the Cabinet or Parliamentarians, its the rank and file bloated Public Service.

I tend to disagree.

 

[Corelli]

What else do you expect is 2 million people have to pay for the other 57 million, yet people complain the municipalities dont do anything but they dont pay their rates accounts. R300 billion is owed to municipalities yet municipal debt is R200 billion.

Its been long time that the public had a tax revolt. When prices of fuel rock up abroad, there are mass strikes and demonstrations till the government does something about it. Here people will just ok lets pay some more, hike taxes, nothing happens, rob the public blind, nothing happens.

When will South Africans middle class stop acting like LEMMINGS and simply stand up and say enough is enough. Because if the 2 million has a tax revolt, its pretty toast to the rest.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I tend to disagree.

Unfortunately the budgets show that they are...

Our "compensation spending" in the budget is around R700billion in 2022 or around 32%.

 

[ToxicBunny]

What else do you expect is 2 million people have to pay for the other 57 million, yet people complain the municipalities dont do anything but they dont pay their rates accounts. R300 billion is owed to municipalities yet municipal debt is R200 billion.

Its been long time that the public had a tax revolt. When prices of fuel rock up abroad, there are mass strikes and demonstrations till the government does something about it. Here people will just ok lets pay some more, hike taxes, nothing happens, rob the public blind, nothing happens.

When will South Africans middle class stop acting like LEMMINGS and simply stand up and say enough is enough. Because if the 2 million has a tax revolt, its pretty toast to the rest.

They might do that, when you stop spouting stupid numbers that have no basis in reality.

 

[Corelli]

Oh to pay for the NHI Income Tax will have to be raised by 13% or VAT by 7% or both.

And ironically the SACP says lets not stop paying government workers more and more, lets just tax the middle and wealthier people more and more. Lets keep the gravy train going by more tax.

Because quite the hell, they got away with it with Eskom. With the first loadshedding we were told there will be a once off 3 year increase totalling 228% effectively but then we would never have load shedding again. And yet look how much prices have increased by, and yet nobody does anything but pay their bill.

I am sorry, but quite honestly, but tax payers are TOTAL IDIOTS. You will keep taking it more and more with just mumbling and not do anything.

Even the DA bills the Western Cape for a pipe levy, and yet every 2nd day there is no water because new pipes are bursting all over the show. Yet dams are full, so why are they reducing pressure constantly

 

[JSRJJ]

simple thing is, as many are doing, if you not going to sell your home in another 20 years from now, stop paying rates and taxes if you have your own water and Eskom. Sewer and refuse COJ can not just block out for some houses. Many are doing it and it should spread like wild fire.

 

[JSRJJ]

why are we still paying network charges for the duration of load shedding? Should not we revolt and force eskom to bill pro rated for network capacity only when there is electricity? throwing some bread crumps for some to ponder.

 

[grok]

What else do you expect is 2 million people have to pay for the other 57 million, yet people complain the municipalities dont do anything but they dont pay their rates accounts. R300 billion is owed to municipalities yet municipal debt is R200 billion.

Its been long time that the public had a tax revolt. When prices of fuel rock up abroad, there are mass strikes and demonstrations till the government does something about it. Here people will just ok lets pay some more, hike taxes, nothing happens, rob the public blind, nothing happens.

When will South Africans middle class stop acting like LEMMINGS and simply stand up and say enough is enough. Because if the 2 million has a tax revolt, its pretty toast to the rest.

Maybe 'cos the 2 million is hard at work trying to earn enough to sustain themselves and fix what the 57 million are destroying alll the time?

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

Maybe 'cos the 2 million is hard at work trying to earn enough to sustain themselves and fix what the 57 million are destroying alll the time?

Freedom is not won by being obedient and working and paying taxes to communists, it is won by spilling the blood of the supporters of oppression.

 

[Corelli]

They might do that, when you stop spouting stupid numbers that have no basis in reality.

Here

South Africa is in deep trouble

South Africa is facing a massive debt trap without any significant interventions to stem the decline.

businesstech.co.za

The absurd tax changes South Africa would have to make to afford the NHI

Research shows that South Africa cannot afford the NHI scheme, and the funding avenues to change this would likely result in a tax revolt.

businesstech.co.za

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/sacp-denounces-national-treasurys-attack-on-public-service-bargaining-bdc38f1c-bdbf-4df3-a432-fe0aada66f28

Petrol/diesel price is increasing next month by over a rand or two

Here is the expected petrol price for October

Mid-month data from the CEF points to another massive petrol and diesel price hike for October - threatening to push prices over R25 a litre.

businesstech.co.za

South Africa is out of money – but not out of options

With a massive budget deficit looming for South Africa, economists present some options that could be used to make ends meet.

businesstech.co.za

And thats not even looking at austerity measures

Difficult trade-offs coming to keep South Africa afloat: report

Budget cuts, tax hikes and shutting down government programmes - everything is on the table as South Africa hits its limit.

businesstech.co.za

And here is debt to municipalities.

Debt owed to municipalities continues to climb

Municipalities were owed R305.8bn at end-December, a 17% increase over the amount a year earlier

www.businesslive.co.za

Seems you have a lot of reading to do

 

[ToxicBunny]

Here

South Africa is in deep trouble

South Africa is facing a massive debt trap without any significant interventions to stem the decline.

businesstech.co.za

The absurd tax changes South Africa would have to make to afford the NHI

Research shows that South Africa cannot afford the NHI scheme, and the funding avenues to change this would likely result in a tax revolt.

businesstech.co.za

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/sacp-denounces-national-treasurys-attack-on-public-service-bargaining-bdc38f1c-bdbf-4df3-a432-fe0aada66f28

Petrol/diesel price is increasing next month by over a rand or two

Here is the expected petrol price for October

Mid-month data from the CEF points to another massive petrol and diesel price hike for October - threatening to push prices over R25 a litre.

businesstech.co.za

South Africa is out of money – but not out of options

With a massive budget deficit looming for South Africa, economists present some options that could be used to make ends meet.

businesstech.co.za

And thats not even looking at austerity measures

Difficult trade-offs coming to keep South Africa afloat: report

Budget cuts, tax hikes and shutting down government programmes - everything is on the table as South Africa hits its limit.

businesstech.co.za

And here is debt to municipalities.

Debt owed to municipalities continues to climb

Municipalities were owed R305.8bn at end-December, a 17% increase over the amount a year earlier

www.businesslive.co.za

Seems you have a lot of reading to do

*pats on the head*

And how many tax payers are there in SA?

 

[Velskoen]

We've been saying that for the last 30 years.

Some of us have been saying that this is where we would eventually get to for longer than 30 years. Generally, after "independence", and depending upon the level of development pre-black government, it takes around 20 - 30-something years for the country to implode totally. Im old enough not to make time-and-date predictions. All I'm saying is it appears to me that the window of opportunity to effectively turn things around in South Africa seems to have almost closed.

 

[Velskoen]

It does seem like that, but journalism is about sensation, so I always keep that in mind too.

I do keep that in mind. I also have enough common sense to see what I see and I am actually surprised the momentum of the old South Africa has kept us going this far. It says a lot for us old whities although no credit will be given where it is due.

 

[backstreetboy]

Reading through the forum tonight, why do I get the feeling we are finally at a tipping point. Eskom basically done for, the fiscus drained to the point of implosion, civil unrest (expanded from normal levels) due to threatened cutbacks, runaway inflation etc etc.

Things certainly seem to be coming to a point fairly rapidly now.

We’re already at civil war…