Web Designer is refusing to cooperate

[)roi(] said:
Sorry but I have to disagree, that's far too reminiscent of the worst of flash... loading screens et al...
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No, I meant good in terms of it actually has the site properly center around it, not that the site was good. Btw I had instant load times, but 100Mbps line.
There was a very good one, forgot the site, but basically while scrolling a paper flyer moved along the page, doing loop de loops and landing when you hit the end of the page.
It's great when it's used subtly, I hate it when it's overblown. The sbs one uses parallax to help tell the story, it compliments what's trying to be expressed.
The problem is a lot of people use effects/design because it's trendy rather than fitting their use case.

Parallax is for telling a visual story, use the tool properly and it's great, don't and it falls flat quickly.
http://hotdot.pro/ looks cool but is really dumb for a web dev agency as it doesn't really say anything about the company.
 
Johnatan56 said:
No, I meant good in terms of it actually has the site properly center around it, not that the site was good. Btw I had instant load times, but 100Mbps line.
There was a very good one, forgot the site, but basically while scrolling a paper flyer moved along the page, doing loop de loops and landing when you hit the end of the page.
It's great when it's used subtly, I hate it when it's overblown. The sbs one uses parallax to help tell the story, it compliments what's trying to be expressed.
The problem is a lot of people use effects/design because it's trendy rather than fitting their use case.

Parallax is for telling a visual story, use the tool properly and it's great, don't and it falls flat quickly.
http://hotdot.pro/ looks cool but is really dumb for a web dev agency as it doesn't really say anything about the company.
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It didn't take long to load; but still the fact that they felt the need to have a loading screen says much.

Animation should be there to subtlely enhance the UX; it has nothing to do with being complimentary to the content, but rather enhancing the perception of it -- my 10c opinion.

...hotdot.pro side scroller thing gets old very quickly.
 
[)roi(] said:
It didn't take long to load; but still the fact that they felt the need to have a loading screen says much.

Animation should be there to subtlely enhance the UX; it has nothing to do with being complimentary to the content, but rather enhancing the perception of it -- my 10c opinion.

...hotdot.pro side scroller thing gets old very quickly.
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Yep, but you target your audience for what you want to do. If you're running a site where the visuals matter, loading bar is good as people won't associate a low quality/broken thing with you, or at least people try and argue that to me. Personally I am not of that opinion, I am mroe of yours where you use animations/transitions that are small and make the site "pop".
 
[)roi(] said:
A simple example: https://www.bugatti.com/divo/
...and something different using SVG: https://eatgenesis.com/
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Wouldn't really consider bugatti to be parallax as it's not dependent on scrolling but view point (as in the scrolling itself doesn't make things move), but I guess it can be classified as such. It's just the term is so broad when stuff like your second link get added to it.

(though I do like bugatti's implementation of it, it adds to the site while the page can still work without it)

Another "goodish" one is Apple's learn more ones: https://www.apple.com/iphone-xs/
The reason I like theirs is because they don't really let you get stuck in a half frame, there is always a focal point when you scroll, and if you scroll a little bit and don't fully enter it, it will smooth scroll into it for you.
 
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The hotdot one is shyte. Very laggy on my 50Mbps line and latest iPad. Terrible to use.
Bugatti one is nive as the visuals support the story and the site was really smooth on my iPad
SVG one did not even load. FAIL
 
People tend to be confusing Web Designers with Web Developers....

Designer = Mockups - using something like Sketch to make it look beautiful. Conceptual. Kinda like a painter or architect.

Frontend Developer = Putting the design into code (html, css, javascript, etc) to actually make the thing function like it should from a user point of view.

Backend Developer = Does all the server side code (python, php, ruby, etc).

Full Stack Developer = Does both frontend and backend development.

Unicorn = Full Stack Developer + Designer. Rare.

If you just got a Designer and expect a functioning website, you might need to check the contract again.
 
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True! A Full Stack Developer + Designer is very rare indeed! I am a fullstack developer myself (C# and Jquery Mobile) and often suck at the designing side of things. I mostly develop business systems rather than flashy sites so then I can get by on the designing part to some extent but my motto has always been to make things as user friendly as possible.

Am currently in the process of developing an online accounting system.
 
jQuery mobile still a thing?
I thought it was abandoned long ago.
I kinda loose touch with the status of all the frameworks etc since you tend to use one for a while.
 
kolaval said:
jQuery mobile still a thing?
I thought it was abandoned long ago.
I kinda loose touch with the status of all the frameworks etc since you tend to use one for a while.
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Probably is for someone, never really was.
Use CSS properly and use flex and grid correctly and mobile responsiveness is easy, would avoid using JS as much as possible unless it's actually needed (e.g. form verification or add/remove classes for certain animations/transitions that should be css, but some newer css developments are reducing the need even more like css based smooth scrolling).
 
I still Jquery mobile a LOT. But it is mostly form based stuff of which many forms are very dynamic based on the data returned from web-services via Ajax calls.

My sites are pure business systems. For one client in the transport industry I built and support their online OPS system as well as their Android and iOS apps.

I am currently busy with an online electronic document imaging and storage system (95% complete) as well as an online accounting system of which my first phase for the entry level package is about 90% complete.

For these sites my Jquery Mobile and JS still work beautiful and fast.

I am not into any kinds of animations and flashy stuff where a lot of CSS is needed. I am a developer and not a designer.
 
f22raptor said:
Afrihost came through and provided the FTP login details expeditiously.



There was no contract signed just word of mouth agreement. He is an extremely busy person even after paying him it took several weeks for him to start working and more weeks to deliver the finished product. We agreed i would pay him to update the site but he has proven to be unable to do that or unwilling because getting hold of him has become very difficult and he does not call back. If he could not provide me with my own FTP login details then i have to find another person preferable a company with offices.
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I do web development professionally and will be more than happy to supply you with a webmaster service. Contracts are key, it is really unprofessional to have any work done without it, take it as a lesson and learn from it. This website may be lost but take that as an opportunity to learn from this mistake.

I certainly would not do any work without a contract clearly written and agreed to by both parties.

Johnatan56 said:
Probably is for someone, never really was.
Use CSS properly and use flex and grid correctly and mobile responsiveness is easy, would avoid using JS as much as possible unless it's actually needed (e.g. form verification or add/remove classes for certain animations/transitions that should be css, but some newer css developments are reducing the need even more like css based smooth scrolling).
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If you want the most of the frameworks you need to have a thorough understanding of the Javascript behind it. You cannot do all the work of a website through the frameworks, as much as I constantly work with JQuery and bootstrap and a couple of other CS / JS frameworks I still have custom Js and CSS files in all the websites I make.
 
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ronald911 said:
People tend to be confusing Web Designers with Web Developers....

Designer = Mockups - using something like Sketch to make it look beautiful. Conceptual. Kinda like a painter or architect.

Frontend Developer = Putting the design into code (html, css, javascript, etc) to actually make the thing function like it should from a user point of view.

Backend Developer = Does all the server side code (python, php, ruby, etc).

Full Stack Developer = Does both frontend and backend development.

Unicorn = Full Stack Developer + Designer. Rare.

If you just got a Designer and expect a functioning website, you might need to check the contract again.
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For a layman like myself who often hires web developers (I now know the difference), this helps big time.
 
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