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Hi Folks !!
i'm new here
nice to meet you all
first off, thank you all for this little nice south africain IT community
there is really a lack of information about the web developement and the IT world in south africa so i'm happy to find the myboardband's forums and i'm ready to contribute and share with you
i'm a fullstack web developer freshly graduated from a well-known web dev americain bootcamp (javascript,node.js, angular, express.js, MEAN stack...) in Paris
my SA women want to move to jhb for her new job so i decided to consider making the move with her
honestly i have no idea about the job market here for new junior web developers. is it satured? is there any hope for me as a French-Tunisian to start a web developer career in jhb and pretoria ?
i checked already a couple of job lising websites (indeed, careerjunction...) and pretty much the majority of the positions are for 2+ experiences...
m also considering starting a job in paris, get some experience for a couple of months or a year then moving to SA
what do you think guys ?
 
No offense, but you would be better off finding a new girlfriend than moving here
 
Hi mister
nice to meet you
hhh no its not something i'm considering, actually we are planning for our engagement and we have been together since a couple of years...
what is making you saying that? i have already knowledge about the cons and pros of living in south africa
i have been already to South Africa before (cape town) and to other africain countries (Kenya uganda and Ivory Coast)
i have some africain roots myslef (Tunisia) and i have no problem with the culture and the racial differences...
actually i ike it...
my biggest concerns are from a career angle
 
IT in SA is very small compared to Europe. Not a move I would make if career was important.
 
All the negative bull**** aside and considering the fact that there is a lot of work out there and that the good developers earn very good salaries...

We are looking for a junior/intermediate developer in Bryanston (Northern Johannesburg). So if you or anybody are keen please send me a PM.
 
Based on the fact that you don't have a degree you'll probably be better off with some experience before you move. But if you're young you don't have much to lose by just going for it.

It won't hurt if you have some personal projects to point interested parties/interviewers at.
 
my SA women want to move to jhb
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Depending on how many wamans you have, I doubt your salary would be able to sustain them all
 
Hamster said:
All the negative bull**** aside and considering the fact that there is a lot of work out there and that the good developers earn very good salaries...

We are looking for a junior/intermediate developer in Bryanston (Northern Johannesburg). So if you or anybody are keen please send me a PM.
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Absolutely.

You'll be sure to find something even with no experience. Just have your interview skills nailed and learn to sell yourself. IT in SA is very much alive, I can't see you struggle to find something, specially with that stack you trained in your bootcamp.
 
From my personal experience of breaking into the market 10+ years ago after university, it is very hard to secure a job at a reasonable salary as a junior with no experience. You will most likely be low-balled. After a year or 2 your salary will start to jump dramatically if you are willing to move around.

Without a degree you will struggle to get a position, especially as a junior. Your bootcamp won't mean a thing unless it was a 3 year bootcamp with a recognised degree given after. Over and above that I doubt as a junior you would truly have the commercial skills to consider yourself a full stack dev. It is a term that is thrown around far too much nowadays. I've mean doing commercial dev for over 10 years across MEAN, LAMP and .Net stacks, know more libraries, programming languages, servers and DBs than many people and calling myself a full stack dev is still a stretch. It is borderline impossible with the constant change in tech all the time.
 
OP your second mistake is thinking this community is "nice".
MyBB forums are like a bad marriage that you never get out of.
 
kolaval said:
MyBB forums are like a bad marriage that you never get out of.
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This is so true :(

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^^vampire^^ said:
From my personal experience of breaking into the market 10+ years ago after university, it is very hard to secure a job at a reasonable salary as a junior with no experience. You will most likely be low-balled. After a year or 2 your salary will start to jump dramatically if you are willing to move around.

Without a degree you will struggle to get a position, especially as a junior. Your bootcamp won't mean a thing unless it was a 3 year bootcamp with a recognised degree given after. Over and above that I doubt as a junior you would truly have the commercial skills to consider yourself a full stack dev. It is a term that is thrown around far too much nowadays. I've mean doing commercial dev for over 10 years across MEAN, LAMP and .Net stacks, know more libraries, programming languages, servers and DBs than many people and calling myself a full stack dev is still a stretch. It is borderline impossible with the constant change in tech all the time.
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hi vampire,
to get enrolled in a bootcamp nowadays, at least wordly well known bootcamps, you have to have a minimal knowledge and experience in web development and selection criterias are getting harder to minimize casting errors...
at least html, css, basic javascript and Jquery are required because otherwise it's impossible to learn everything and become fullstack in 3 months...
after the bootcamp i consider having the necessery knowledge for an entry level junior web developer position
the expertise will be acquired through experience as you have mentioned and with the constant change nowadays ...
what i'm trying to do right now is to build enough projects into github to show for potential employers if possible
in europe, many get enrolled after a bootcamp but have to show accomplishements like projects and stuff...
for the salary, i'm not going to be exigent about it of course, i'm ready to be build experience.
 
sicelo.m said:
you might also have to deal with visa/permit issues
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i spent enough time this week learning about critical skills work visa
yes, it should be quite challenging...
there is an authority called SAQA "south africain qualification authority" that evaluate qualifications for jobs and visas
and i need a ""Proof of evaluation of the foreign qualification/s by SAQA translated by a sworn translator"" for the visa
i think im going to ask a professional in south africa to advise me about the best way to go through it
orignally i'm a civil engineer
so i'm thinking about combining my bachelor degree and the bootcamp certificate for a recognition
 
kolaval said:
OP your second mistake is thinking this community is "nice".
MyBB forums are like a bad marriage that you never get out of.
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it's still a nice place
at least it's hidden and quite
it takes time even with a simple google research to be found
 
biometrics said:
Why would you need a degree for web development?
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Because just about everyone has one, so not having one already puts you a wrung lower on the ladder.

A degree instills a level of foundation that should be known before taking on the career of a software developer, otherwise it becomes the task of other senior developers to teach you out of your bad habits that you learn over many years, if you are willing to take feedback. Lets get real, most developers think they are the **** and it takes many people many years before they reach the level of being able to accept and use constructive criticism to better themselves. This is usually just a disastrous state of affairs.

Yes. This isn't always the case and I would look through a CV to try and gauge someones experience if they don't have a qualification but to be honest, many times it isn't worth the hassle. Yes that person may have 15 years of dev experience, but often with a brief test on foundational dev knowledge you can see that that will be 15 years of bad habits you have to correct before it is worth letting these people touch your carefully architected systems. During my career I've come across 2 people that have been self taught that I would trust to do the job, as they had learned the foundations of anything they tackled before jumping into the work and did a quality job of it, all the others have created patchy code, hacking things together with the limited bits and pieces of knowledge they had.
 
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