Webafrica's hosting is a big joke

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Don't be fooled by the fact that webafrica is one of the biggest isp's in SA. Don't be fooled by the fact that webafrica has a nice looking website. Don't be fooled by the fact that they "guarantee" 99% uptime. Don't be fooled by the fact that they state they have 24 hrs support.

Yes I was fooled by all these things, I was fooled by webafrica to think that they are able to host my lowly 6 email accounts with the promise of these things.

The story:

Before we got adsl our hosting was done by @lantic, never had a problem. When we got adsl I decided to move our mail hosting to webafrica. What a mistake, I was struggling for 2 weeks trying to get the domain transferred from @lantic to webafrica, basicly @lantic did not release the domain and webafrica never bothered to request it again. Eventfully I got fed up with webafrica's **** and transferred the domain to Webapps/Igroup.

What an dream! in almost 2 years I had maybe 2 or 3 problems with them. Ok fine they don't have 24 hours support but hey if nothing go's wrong why do you need support?
Then Webapps decided to close their shared hosting. I decided to give webafrica another chance.

What an ****up! After the domain was transferred no emails could be send to outside domains, only to my own domain. webafrica said its was because no one bothered to open their firewall to allow my domain. A week after they opened the firewall lo and behold now I can't receive any emails. Now when you phone their 24hrs support help line they don't actuly help you. All that the person does is tell you need to restart outlook or your outlook is corrupted or your settings is wrong, does not matter that you tell them that all 6 email accounts started to do the same thing at the same time they still insist they the problem is on your side. Only after swearing at them will they actually LOOK for the problem on their side.

The second explanation was something that all their accounts is parked overseas until they are registered or paid for or activated or something but anyway they say no one changed the DNS settings for the domain when it was moved to SA to be used. Yet that makes no sense because I was using it for an week before this without problems.

Ok so after this has been sorted out after about 2 months now the domain starts loosing emails sent to it. 3 of the email address's get sent an email each day from the same sender. Yet some day’s one account will never receive the email for the said day. When you phone webafrica with this problem like before they will tell you everything is wrong with YOUR pc and outlook and nothing on their side. Yet no settings changes on any of our machines but the next day the same machine will receive that days email with no problem. This problem was never sorted out, I don't have the time to play cat and mouse with their tech support...

Coming to another point, some times you will find that their tech support has nothing to do (I wonder why :wtf:) so they decide they are going to irritate their customers with false domain renewal notices. My domain is not up for renewal for like 9 months because I PAID webafrica to renew it when it was transferred to them. But lo and be hold I get like 3 domain renewal notices, after complaining to about 3 different people I get an email from one of the Big shots saying sorry about the glitch in their system, (it won't happen again) then poof 30 mins after his email I get another renewal notice :mad::mad: !!!! So after some swearing at their support they got the message.

Riighhht so everything is rosy for and while, (well webafrica rosy meaning an missed email here and an late email there, a few hours their server does not respond at all nothing big enough to waste time and money on their "support centre")

An week back one email account does not want to send mail to any outside domain (Again!!!!). And today the same email gets received by 2 accounts and the third one only gets it like 2 hours later.

I phone their 24hrs support line, just stay on hold for hosting support for like 10mins. Then I phone their sales and got hold of an lady, I asked do you guys actually like have hosting support and she replied umm yessss have you also been waiting an long time. I then requested to speak to the hosting manager Yusuf. She replied he is busy now (this was like at 16:30 so busy going out the car park I suppose) I can leave my name and number.

I phone their hosting support again, after holding 15mins I try their adsl support... nothing, I try sales again ... no sorry those people already left.

An hour later I phone again, hey someone picks up. I explain my problem, what do I get told? Check settings, redo the account blah blah blah. I remember this guy.... he ****ed me around before as well with these allegations that the problem MUST be by my side...

Tomorrow the saga continues....

PS what pisses me off more is that webafrica's billing system is very good, they have already billed me for another 6 months hosting without an blink or an renewal notice :mad:
 
Hi intelceleronman,

I'm absolutely shocked to be reading this post. We're working extremely hard on getting the domains process as seamless and smooth as possible. I personally followed up and had a fairly lengthy meeting with the Hosting Manager yesterday regarding this to see what the progress was.

To have so many issues must be extremely frustrating! What I'd like to do moving forward, is run a full investigation on your account on every aspect possible to make sure that everything is up to scratch. By reading your post, it's clear that we have dropped the ball somewhere, I'd like to look as to where and sort out your account today :)

Touching on the domain renewal notices, this is something that is of great concern to us - and are working extremely hard on getting these renewal notices sorted out. By no means do we send these off manually, but rather driven by our systems.

If you can please PM me your client code and contact details so I can have this escalated immediately, along with a resolution before the end of today.

EDIT: I seem to have tracked down your client code. I'll have this looked into immediately.
 
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Hi again :)

I believe Emmanuel gave you a call a couple minutes ago and confirmed that the email issue has been sorted out.
Can you please let me know via PM for which domain renewals you received incorrectly so I can follow up on this too?

Thanks!
 
don't host locally! - local hosts has lots to learn when it comes to their international counterparts, most are still trying to compete with Telkom instead of leaders in the industry, the same applies for VoIP suppliers...
 
Hi again :)

I believe Emmanuel gave you a call a couple minutes ago and confirmed that the email issue has been sorted out.
Can you please let me know via PM for which domain renewals you received incorrectly so I can follow up on this too?

Thanks!

No emmanuel is talking BS! He phoned me to tell me it should be working then I said I will test it. I did in fact test it now (12:20am) and its still not ****en working.

This is the email I recived from him:

Hi Ettiene

I have been informed that there was a problem with a firewall update which may have caused this problem but this has since been corrected, testing from my end, I am able to send and receive email messages between an external mail box and a test account created on the domain xxxxxx.co.za with no errors,

As per our telephone conversation, please let me know if you are still experiencing any problems, if so please let me know the following settings as set on the email account [email protected]
1.incoming mail server and port number
2.Outgoing mail server and port number

This is so that i can investigate this further,


Regards, Emmanuel Chimunhu


So now webafrica goes back to saying that the problem is NOT on their side, it must be on my side because maybe I have my my imcoming and outgoing server settings wrong.

WHY IS IT THEN THAT ONE ACCOUNT WORKS PERFECTLY AND WHEN I ONLY CHANGE THE ACCOUNT IT CAN'T SEND ANY OUTSIDE EMAILS?


I have also requested an webafrica big shots email adrress or phone number from webafrica support and then I get this piss poor reply

Hi Ettiene,

I have been informed that you were contacted by Emmanuel regarding your issue.

Please reply to this email if you require any further assistance.

Should you have any other queries or need any further assistance please let us know.


Now emmanuel has never contacted eith regards to an big shot's contact details, he just said the above.

It looks like webafrica support is very scared to provide top managents contact details.


the saga continues....
 
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He did ask you to let him know whether you still have problems or not. Did you in fact let him know?

ps. There is now enough information in this thread to figure out who you are, you should be more careful about what you copy/paste on to these forums. Just from your last post one gets your name, the domain name which has even more information available about you. http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=t3
 
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So now webafrica goes back to saying that the problem is NOT on their side, it must be on my side because maybe I have my my imcoming and outgoing server settings wrong.

WHY IS IT THEN THAT ONE ACCOUNT WORKS PERFECTLY AND WHEN I ONLY CHANGE THE ACCOUNT IT CAN'T SEND ANY OUTSIDE EMAILS?

I don't think it was Emmanuel's intention to come across like this. By looking at the ticket he's made some changes to try and resolve the issue, which doesn't seem to be successful.
We look at every avenue of troubleshooting before saying that everything is 100% working.

To add, we've also been struggling to replicate the problem from our end - which makes things a little tricky sometimes.

It looks like webafrica support is very scared to provide top managents contact details.

Not at all. Just usually, this isn't our default or standard process for communication channels.
This issue has now however been escalated, I believe you've already received a call from our Operations Executive. This will be further looked into by our NOC (Network Operations Centre) by our Email Specialist.
 
He did ask you to let him know whether you still have problems or not. Did you in fact let him know?

ps. There is now enough information in this thread to figure out who you are, you should be more careful about what you copy/paste on to these forums. Just from your last post one gets your name, the domain name which has even more information available about you. http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=t3

I was not in the office at the time when he phoned so I could not check it. But the thing is he has already informed WAJeff that everything is fine and fixed, thats why WAJeff replied again.

Thanks for your concern about my details, but any person who I give my email address to can whois the domain. So I don't see what info I did give out extra, if you can enlighten me please :)
 
No emmanuel is talking BS! He phoned me to tell me it should be working then I said I will test it. I did in fact test it now (12:20am) and its still not ****en working.

This is the email I recived from him:




So now webafrica goes back to saying that the problem is NOT on their side, it must be on my side because maybe I have my my imcoming and outgoing server settings wrong.

WHY IS IT THEN THAT ONE ACCOUNT WORKS PERFECTLY AND WHEN I ONLY CHANGE THE ACCOUNT IT CAN'T SEND ANY OUTSIDE EMAILS?


I have also requested an webafrica big shots email adrress or phone number from webafrica support and then I get this piss poor reply




Now emmanuel has never contacted eith regards to an big shot's contact details, he just said the above.

It looks like webafrica support is very scared to provide top managents contact details.


the saga continues....

What really gets to me is that an organization has identified their faults and escalated to hell and gone. I do believe that if you continually speak down to the support guys in a disgusting tone, they will definitely quiver and in fact scared to assist you.

These support guys are always the black sheep , when in fact they should be the ones praised for good work they do for organizations. All of us in the industry has started off in support and know how it is taking abuse.

Just reading your email makes it not even worth reading the rest because it is so ungrateful and rude.

Work with the guys instead of against them.

You obviously grieved about something which is a lot deeper than this petty email problem.

keep smiling :-)
 
Morning intelceleronman,

Followed up on this yesterday already and I believe we're doing some more testing and waiting on the results from you :) I'll post some more detail around this once everything is 100% confirmed from our end, but it looks like we're getting to the bottom of this one.
 
Quick update on this one.

After extensive testing on both our end and from your side, we've discovered that the issue lay with the email applications local profile being corrupted, which caused these errors. I believe our Email Specialist has confirmed this with you earlier on this morning?

Glad we could sort this out. I'd also like to take the time to apologise that we didn't pick this up sooner as these types of "localhost" email issues do occur fairly often.
 
After extensive testing on both our end and from your side, we've discovered that the issue lay with the email applications local profile being corrupted, which caused these errors. I believe our Email Specialist has confirmed this with you earlier on this morning?

Glad we could sort this out. I'd also like to take the time to apologise that we didn't pick this up sooner as these types of "localhost" email issues do occur fairly often.

For one, stop using Plesk 8.6, its old, it's outdated and it sucks.
2ndly admitting that you have "these types of "localhost" email issues fairly often" does not really install confidence in your server administrators.
and 3rdly, LOL @ Email Specialists.
 
For one, stop using Plesk 8.6, its old, it's outdated and it sucks.
2ndly admitting that you have "these types of "localhost" email issues fairly often" does not really install confidence in your server administrators.
and 3rdly, LOL @ Email Specialists.

Sorry if this was mis-understood.
By "localhost" I mean the PC where the email issues were being experienced. This issue had nothing to do with our servers.

And yes, I use the "Email Specialist" very lightly. Email is only part of his skills - he is the NOC (Network Operations Manager)
 
don't host locally! - local hosts has lots to learn when it comes to their international counterparts, most are still trying to compete with Telkom instead of leaders in the industry, the same applies for VoIP suppliers...

Yes. Because it's so easy to populate a several 10's of GB of data over international links. Or pull a backup when your auditors require it, from your data centre in Germany/US/UK/etc. And having your corporate data under the jurisdiction of a foreign country where you don't understand all the laws is a good idea.

Sometimes you need to have your data locally, for accessibility and for legal reasons.
 
I think the problem all boils down to lack of technical knowlege when phoning 1st line.It would be nice to phone support , explain a email or dns issue and they could actually understand what the problem was , then if they cant resolve forward it to 2nd line.Instead the ticket goes in circles untill it becomes so bad that some 3rd line person who you can never speak to resolves the issue.
 
I think the problem all boils down to lack of technical knowlege when phoning 1st line.It would be nice to phone support , explain a email or dns issue and they could actually understand what the problem was , then if they cant resolve forward it to 2nd line.Instead the ticket goes in circles untill it becomes so bad that some 3rd line person who you can never speak to resolves the issue.

I agree with you 100% ubercal :-)

However - when you have some punchy person calling in screaming , shouting and swearing at a support desk - the guys do get demotivated and not really interested in helping you.

The end to this story was a big turn in events if it is all true to the tee. The problem lay with the user machine and not with the ISP. The ISP is not responsible for any user devices. This kind of ended nasty as support guys had explained that there was no problem on the ISP side , but it seems like the client insisted and seemed to be proud explaining he gave a few swear words to the guys..

I am working on the assumption that all is correct as per WAJeff's mail :-)
 
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