Website defacement...

Scandium

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While sifting through another forum I stumbled upon this website:

http://zone-h.org/en/defacements/filter/filter_defacer=Fatal Error/

It's basically a hall of fame that showcases all them l337 brazillian h4ck3rs that have nothing better to do with their time, also what really caught my attention was this local site:

http://www.ilanganews.co.za/

which was recently owned and so far the website owners have failed to notice this or they simply don't care. Anyways, my point for posting this was just to increase awareness of these occurences and that us South Africans are also at risk. So keep them webservers updated.
 
Good post, SCAN - I put a '.za' filter on the list and ended up with 30 pages of 25 entries each - that's 750 defaced sites with '.za' in the domain name! The list includes sites like netcare.co.za and nosa.co.za - shows that these idjits couldn't care less about the consequences of their actions. Suggest Webmasters on this forum check the site and advise their colleagues...
 
LOL

You can never be too assured against this. Backups are essential!

:o)

Cheers
Antowan

### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">shows that these idjits couldn't care less about the consequences of their actions.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'd hardly call them idiots. Actualy without them alot of holes would remain undiscovered. Webmasters should ensure that their websites are secure - most of these defacements are due to poor programming practice and poor system admin by lazy and/or clueless webmasters.
 
I agree with Karnaugh to a degree, however, I don't think defacing a website is the right way to go about informing people about "holes".

A quick email to the webmaster is maybe a more mature way to do it...

Chow, Nick

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'd hardly call them idiots. Actualy without them alot of holes would remain undiscovered. Webmasters should ensure that their websites are secure - most of these defacements are due to poor programming practice and poor system admin by lazy and/or clueless webmasters.
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Fair comment - but allow me to explain further: I don't doubt their technical ability, nor the prevalence of poor programming/sysadmin, but I do take issue with the <u>approach</u> of the site defacers. Without going into the ongoing debate about white/black-hatters, my point is that if one is really concerned about the lack of security on websites, a cooperative approach - as opposed to an adversarial one - would reap far more benefit than currently, for users and providers alike. It would seem, however, that the defacers are far more concerned with boosting their image in the cracker community - this is why I brand them as idjits. There's a far larger context out there, which their blinkered approach fails to see. A simple question to any site defacer - if you've found a security issue on a particular website, have you taken as much effort to inform the webmaster/site admin, as you've put into tracking down the hole? Bet you the answer would be - why should I? And <u>that's</u> why they're idiots and a bunch of moronic cretins - if I could think of stronger words, I would use them...
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">have you taken as much effort to inform the webmaster/site admin<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Actualy I'm sure they probably did. I know first hand how plain stupid and ignorant alot of site admins can be. If they got hacked they have only themselves to blame for it, no one else - not even the people that did it. Such is life.
 
But that is the difference between a hacker and a cracker! A hacker will inform while a cracker will damage. I agree with both MBS and Karnaugh on the situation on both sides of the fence. A cracker however needs to be kicked in the chest for hurting the net community with skills that can just as easily be used for the good of us all.

Find the hole and ask for it to be plugged! Easy!

Cheers
Antowan

### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Karnaugh</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">have you taken as much effort to inform the webmaster/site admin<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Actualy I'm sure they probably did. I know first hand how plain stupid and ignorant alot of site admins can be. If they got hacked they have only themselves to blame for it, no one else - not even the people that did it. Such is life.
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That is complete bollocks. Might as well say if you get your car stolen it's your fault for not securing it properly, not the thiefs. If you get mugged it's your fault for walking alone at night, not the muggers. After all he was just showing you how dangerouse it was to do that. You should thank him for doing you a favour. These are the type of spunkbubbles who would teach you road safety by running you over.

The problem isn't lazy / stupid sysadmins. It's lazy, arrogant developers producing broken software.
 
At the end of the day, defacing a site is stupid. It's the same as spraypainting on someone's shop window. People should rather be notified of flaws than suffer the unnecessary downtime and embarassment. If someone did it to those laaities - they'd be mighty upset I'm sure.

Treat others as you would like to be treated... they'll grow up and realise that.


<font color="navy"><font size="1"><b>Where others have progress, we have Telkom.</b>
Hellkom website - www.hellkom.co.za</font id="size1"></font id="navy">
 
You can't blame developers either, when you're dealing with a hundred million lines of code there are bound to be flaws that don't surface during testing.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That is complete bollocks. Might as well say if you get your car stolen it's your fault for not securing it properly, not the thiefs. If you get mugged it's your fault for walking alone at night, not the muggers. After all he was just showing you how dangerouse it was to do that. You should thank him for doing you a favour. These are the type of spunkbubbles who would teach you road safety by running you over.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Yes, I might as well say that, because thats exactly what it is. Maybe not as extreme as just being mugged, but say if you walked arround a club stark naked, you're bound to be groaped

It most certainly is lazy admins, if only you knew how absolutly clueless they have to be to allow their site to be compromised. 99.9% of these sites are compromised through seriously slack security flaws, open shells on standard users, using crap FTP servers and really poor passwords. Things which it is most certainly the webmasters job to ensure is maintained.

I'll let you in on how it works

An exploit is found in software - it is reported to the vendor.

If the vendor responds, their response and relevant patches is posted arround to the various security notice boards. If not, their loss.

Later, exploits filter in as proof of concept.

Once proof of concept code is posted arround and script kiddies catch a whiff, compile a quick script and start searching for backdoors and have a wild time.

Generaly there is a GOOD amount of time before these patches are released and concept code hits the web. There are only very rare occurances when propper crackers/hackers find these exploits and use them against sites - infact the only last time that has happend was a good 6 months ago to a debian.org shell machine and this is extremly rare - even in that case it was found that the machine exploited was done so via an old bug that had not been patched on that machine.

If webmasters and server admins vigilantly patch exploits - it is easy to ensure that their site is untouchable to a good percentage of the kiddie world.

You cant blame vendors either.

In the case of the blaster worm, and the slammer worm alike, the exploit warning was given almost 2 weeks before concept code hit the web. It was only a week after that that microsoft released the first patches (which worked, but had a DoS effect, not that serious though). When the warnings were released I ensured all the machines I maintain had the effected port filterd even before MS released the patches - problem soved and some of them to this day tick along happily and compleatly unpatched.

It was a MONTH after the initial concept code was released and MS had patched the problem that the blaster worm was unleashed - and you can clearly still see the damage it STILL causes to this day.

So you tell me who's fault it is, the vendors? The hackers? or the users.
 
I an interesting program on national geographic the other day, entitled "Hackers".

Try and catch the repeat.

Chow, Nick

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net
 
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