Weight Loss Thread 2014

This MCT story. I was thinking about this and I think I'm missing something.

MCT oils are popular with keto dieters because they (the oils not the dieters) are metabolized directly to β-hydroxybutyrate ketones (right?).

Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition that occurs when the body cannot regulate β-hydroxybutyrate production as it should (right?).

If someone is forcing extra β-hydroxybutyrate production with MCT oil how can or does the body regulate it? (increased insulin? wouldn't that bring its own problems?)

What are the benefits of "deep" ketosis compared to regular ketosis? is ketosis not all or nothing for the body? (is there such a thing as "deep" ketosis or only increased ketone production?)
 
RandomDesign said:
This MCT story. I was thinking about this and I think I'm missing something.

MCT oils are popular with keto dieters because they (the oils not the dieters) are metabolized directly to β-hydroxybutyrate ketones (right?).

Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition that occurs when the body cannot regulate β-hydroxybutyrate production as it should (right?).

If someone is forcing extra β-hydroxybutyrate production with MCT oil how can or does the body regulate it? (increased insulin? wouldn't that bring its own problems?)

What are the benefits of "deep" ketosis compared to regular ketosis? is ketosis not all or nothing for the body? (is there such a thing as "deep" ketosis or only increased ketone production?)
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great questions with regards MCT oils, probably the best places that I can point you at to assist with an answer are here and here

don't confuse ketosis with ketoacidosis (the difference is explained in the second link)
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
great questions with regards MCT oils, probably the best places that I can point you at to assist with an answer are here and here

don't confuse ketosis with ketoacidosis (the difference is explained in the second link)
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Thanks. If I'm not mistaken then ketoacidosis is only a concern for those with impaired insulin production.

(and yeah I've already encountered someone who started ranting about how dangerous ketosis is as soon as I mentioned it, obviously confusing it with ketoacidosis. I've read similar confusion in some nutrition and related books, not recent books, but makes me wonder if ketosis got this bad rap because of some ignoramus's confusion back in the 70s or 80s or something)
 
RandomDesign said:
Thanks. If I'm not mistaken then ketoacidosis is only a concern for those with impaired insulin production.

(and yeah I've already encountered someone who started ranting about how dangerous ketosis is as soon as I mentioned it, obviously confusing it with ketoacidosis. I've read similar confusion in some nutrition and related books, not recent books, but makes me wonder if ketosis got this bad rap because of some ignoramus's confusion back in the 70s or 80s or something)
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pretty much.

however, your question did stimulate some additional research and I've found this (more related to coconut oil as opposed to pure MCT), I haven't had chance to read through the whole thing but it does indicate that there may be some dangers in terms of excessive coconut oil/MCT consumption, however I still need to validate his evidence
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
I haven't had chance to read through the whole thing but it does indicate that there may be some dangers in terms of excessive coconut oil/MCT consumption, however I still need to validate his evidence
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Brain octane contains 18 times the amount of C10 per tablespoon that coconut oil does. Bulletproof exec consumes 4 tablespoons a day. So that's the equivalent from 72 tablespoons of coconut oil.

It is self regulating though ~ disaster pants! I find the C10 much easier on the stomach than the C8.

Anyway, brain octane is obviously not something found in nature, and I am only using it for the cognitive benefits. It's amazing :love:

Small doses of modafinil & C10 = BRAIN ON FIRE! I quite like the effects of nicotine (gum) with it too.
 
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OK, so confession time.

When I first made the RMR bread, I didn't really pay attention to this part:

2 cups milled flax seed

I instead took two cups of flax seed, milled those, and baked the bread with it. Just before I made my second loaf a while ago, I looked at it again, paused, then wondered why there wasn't any clarification.. My dry ingredients were already mixed, so I just ended up adding more egg and more water.

The milled flax seed occupies a lot more volume than the seed, and while I really enjoyed the bread the last time I made it, I wondered why mine was so dense while the picture made their version seem so fluffy.

2nd loaf is in the oven now, will see what's what.
 
Randhir said:
OK, so confession time.

When I first made the RMR bread, I didn't really pay attention to this part:

2 cups milled flax seed

I instead took two cups of flax seed, milled those, and baked the bread with it. Just before I made my second loaf a while ago, I looked at it again, paused, then wondered why there wasn't any clarification.. My dry ingredients were already mixed, so I just ended up adding more egg and more water.

The milled flax seed occupies a lot more volume than the seed, and while I really enjoyed the bread the last time I made it, I wondered why mine was so dense while the picture made their version seem so fluffy.

2nd loaf is in the oven now, will see what's what.
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DAmnit...you make a very valid point! I also used two cups and just milled that down...

When I make my new one I will not make this mistake hehe.

Looking forward to your result!
 
Orihalcon said:
DAmnit...you make a very valid point! I also used two cups and just milled that down...

When I make my new one I will not make this mistake hehe.

Looking forward to your result!
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Tbh, I was lazy.. The salt and baking powder don't add a lot of volume so I should have taken the dry ingredients out, re-measured, then adjusted to add liquid by volume, but I just added enough liquid so it became more batter-like.

Should be done in around 10 minutes.
 
Ignore me, I'm confusing milling it yourself and the bought flax powder ......
 
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