What could have been?

The reason that im so hung up on PS3 is that for me it does feel like im settling by getting the Xbox. Isnt the PS3 the techincally better machine.
Forget about the lack of games and crazy price.
Spec for spec which is better, The way I see it is that Ps3 has the potential to surpass the xbox. Xbox is what on 3rd gen games already?
these look similar to first gen Ps3 GAMES.

IM so confused:(
 
The reason that im so hung up on PS3 is that for me it does feel like im settling by getting the Xbox. Isnt the PS3 the techincally better machine.

well the PS3's technology is still to be proven, it may actually be worse than the 360 at important things like AI and graphics..

Doobiwan is sure to flood you with stats now though...

There is still a heated debate about which machine is actually more powerful in the end... The PS3 may be able to put 200 000 enemies on screen at once but they won't be able to act independently... The 360 might only have the power for 100 000 enemies but each one has an independent AI...

No one knows for sure yet... You can't just say the PS3 is better or the 360 is better...
 
The general theme on this forum is to hammer home how good the 360 is until you break down and buy one. Then you generally will join us in hammering the next person who wants to buy a PS3 because you now see how good the 360 is.

So true... I wanted to buy a PS3 as well, then somehow ended up getting a Xbox 360. Also bought a 40inch LCD. Finally got everything setup now, so will test it out tonight and see if it's really as good as everyone says it is... ;)
 
Totally off topic, sorry, but I don't wanna create a thread just to ask this.

Do you guys experience "colour banding" when playing on an LCD TV?

colour banding is when there's a gradient on screen, you can actually see the part where it changes from one shade to another, kinda like how 16 bit colour would look on a monitor.
 
ROFL, isn't that for the Wii wand?

@ Abev, I'm going to back Noxi up here as well, and it's more than just 6 - there are already top class classics available on the 360 for ~R250 and the R4k pro+wireless+game bundles are everywhere. PS3 games are still all over R450. For example you can get Oblivion on 360 for R299, but it's twice that price on PS3.

http://xbox360.ign.com/index/release.html

If you want games, the 360 is the place to be.

It's like high school, PS3's like a cheerleader, everyone perv's over the cheerleaders, but once you get to know them they're pretty shallow. Once they grow up they may be able to string words into full sentences, but in the mean time the 360's like the girls with glasses sitting next to you. She's actually a looker and sharp to boot. Once you get to know her you'll realise it's a long term thing.

(true story ;) )

Shouldn't this be the other way around. The 360 is the cheerleader slut who spread her legs eearly and got herself a rash down there. The boys are loving her now till they find themselves a little older and wanting something they can bring home to mom. The PS3 is the quieter one, rather sophisticated, her figure still needing a year to fully ripen. She's also likely to end up a complete vixen devil in bed and without the scum in her bucket. One of her is all you'll need. No replacements.

But seriously, Abev, there is nothing to play on the PS3. Not until that Little Big Adventure World game comes out. Get the 360 and games and an extra pad and a nice TV instead. That's what I would do if I had R10 000. So right now I just play on my PC and sometime the old gamecube.
 
Shouldn't this be the other way around. The 360 is the cheerleader slut who spread her legs eearly and got herself a rash down there. The boys are loving her now till they find themselves a little older and wanting something they can bring home to mom. The PS3 is the quieter one, rather sophisticated, her figure still needing a year to fully ripen. She's also likely to end up a complete vixen devil in bed and without the scum in her bucket. One of her is all you'll need. No replacements.

But seriously, Abev, there is nothing to play on the PS3. Not until that Little Big Adventure World game comes out. Get the 360 and games and an extra pad and a nice TV instead. That's what I would do if I had R10 000. So right now I just play on my PC and sometime the old gamecube.
QFT

And it's Little Big Planet ;).
 
Heya Retro, if you want a tech demo I recommend you download the demos for DiRT and Ace Combat 6, they're both gorgeous, and a lot of fun.

okay Gav, you asked for it! ;)

@Abev, as I said early, Sony is extremely good at hyping their products beyond the truth. There's another word for that . . . ;) "Photorealistic graphics! Natural Animation, a complex architecture that will improve with experience" They said the exact same thing about the PS2 emotion engine, almost word for word. You know how that ended? It all turned out hogwash, the Xbox 1 was technically it's superior in every way. (including girth ;) )

This generation things are a bit different, but not that different. Overall, between the two machines the games are going to be "similar orders of magnitude" but their strengths are different.

Graphics
Okay quicky here - 360 gets an early lead. The 360 Xenos is based on the same architecture as the ATI HD2900, a very new architecture, but designed for a console with some very funky additions like special memory for things like anti aliasing and HDR, which is why, in a lot of multiplatform reviews you'll see the 360 has less "jaggies" and better light rendering.

The RSX is actually a straight 7800GT which is a two year old part, although not a bad one, it lacks real console optimization hence the aforementioned post processing issues. So far, all evidence points to it not being able to keep up with the Xenos, as the numbers suggest. Eg, the latest Madden runs at 60fps on the 360, but 30fps on the PS3.

CPU
There's a lot of noise about the cell, and there's no denying it's a great number cruncher, but that's what IBM designed it for: computation. It's only got one general processor which has to run the games and the OS AND the SPU's The SPU's are designed for maths, so it'll excel at things like geometry or physics, but tank in things like game logic, AI or post processing. In theory it could be used to supplement the RSX, but that's where the "So hard to program for comes in".

The 360 CPU in comparison seems a little modest, but don't underestimate it. The reason Microsoft chose it was because, well they didn't. They asked game developers what they wanted and that's what they got. Which is the overall moral of the 360 - it's much easier to get what you want out of it. Which is why most game dev leads on 360 and PC. (GTA, CoD, AC, Darkness, Fatal Inertia, UT, etc)

That's not getting into OS load or anything btw.

Memory
PS3 takes a pretty serious kick in the teeth when it comes to RAM i'm afraid. It's graphics and main memory are two separate banks of 256Mb, with and overall OS load of around 90Mb on the Main RAM and 40Mb on the graphics. By comparison the 360 has one continuous bank of 512Mb RAM with a total OS load of 32MB. so basically the 360 has about 400Mb to store textures and graphics stuff as oppossed to the PS3's available 200Mb. The argument is to stream everything on the PS3, but once again that's not easy to do.

Okay enough propellorheadisms ;)

Summary:
The PS3 will possibly one day offer better physics and such than the 360, but unless something absolutely magic happens, the 360 has the advantage in the graphics and AI department. The big issue is development - the 360 architecture is similar in principle to a PC with excellent tools whereas the PS3 is a very odd beast with less than stellar development tools.

I imagine the PS3 will end up to a very similar situation to the Gamecube in the last round. The gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, but too different. Inevitably what happened was that most 3rd party games suffered on it, with only first party titles like Zelda, and the occasional 3rd part push like RE4 that actually utilized it to it's full potential.
 
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I cant help but feel you are slighlty biased eh, doobiewan?;)
 
Get what you want but I dont think you'd be disappointed with either to tell the truth.

I also dont believe the PS3 is even close to being worth r300 more let alone r3000.
 
Hey at least I admit it ;)

well it's not just a fanboy rant - here's the full story on all that guff http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

As I said before, in reality, at the end of the day, it's about getting your game on. If you buy a PS3 now it's like sitting around waiting for something to happen (this was last weeks CAD :P http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070727)

Get the 360 now, play till your hearts content, when the PS3 drops in price (If you still feel the need :D ) pick one up for sum total less then you'd fork out now just for the PS3. Just take a look at releases for the rest of the year, the Q4 360 line up is being hailed as the best in gaming history (That's not a fanboyism by the way, that's from Webush Morgans Michael Patcher.)

(EDIT: let me just add in here Live! rocks BTW. I can't express in words how awesome it is in comparison to even PC online gaming. Someone else please try . . )
 
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Just take a look at releases for the rest of the year, the Q4 360 line up is being hailed as the best in gaming history (That's not a fanboyism by the way, that's from Webush Morgans Michael Patcher.)

Please post that list here for the benefit of us capped users assamblief. :p :) :D
 
Shouldn't this be the other way around. The 360 is the cheerleader slut who spread her legs eearly and got herself a rash down there. The boys are loving her now till they find themselves a little older and wanting something they can bring home to mom. The PS3 is the quieter one, rather sophisticated, her figure still needing a year to fully ripen. She's also likely to end up a complete vixen devil in bed and without the scum in her bucket. One of her is all you'll need. No replacements.

WTF geez dude he’s not going to marry his console.
 
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/release.html

I'd post the whole thing but it's about 400 games, around 120 just for this year (includes multiple version eg collectors editions)!

So here's my A list:

BioShock
Halo 3
Mass Effect
GTA IV
Assassins Creed
Rock Band!
Quake Wars

"Others"
Flatout
The Orange Box
Timeshift
Call of Duty 4
Project Gotham Racing 4
skate
Eternal Sonata
Blue Dragon
lost Odyssey
World in conflict
VP: Party animals ;)

Into '08
Fable 2
Battlefield: Bad Company
Too Human
UT3
Fallout 3
Burnout Paradise
Huxley
Warhammer online
 
If font size is an indicator of how excited I am, then let me just say:


ROCK BAND!!!
 
The reason that im so hung up on PS3 is that for me it does feel like im settling by getting the Xbox. Isnt the PS3 the techincally better machine.
Forget about the lack of games and crazy price.
Spec for spec which is better, The way I see it is that Ps3 has the potential to surpass the xbox. Xbox is what on 3rd gen games already?
these look similar to first gen Ps3 GAMES.
Firstly don't fall for the trap of buying computing products for the future. They always get cheaper and if you can't get good use out them now the premium you're paying is money wasted.

The PS3 looks very good on paper. So did the PS2, and while it certainly is capable of some impressive performance, if you know how to get the most out of the hardware, it was nowhere near as good as Sony's performance numbers would have had you believe. (exactly what doobiwan said) Ultimately numbers on paper don't mean much. I think the PS3 has great potential, but it isn't being realised yet, and that is a lot of money to pay for something just because it looks cool and has potential.
 
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Do you guys experience "colour banding" when playing on an LCD TV?
I've seen it on Sony and LG CRT TVs, but I haven't noticed it on an LCD. Also on the CRTs it was usually with DVDs, not games.
 
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