What eats up YOUR 3Gb Limit

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Hi All,

I'm looking for a poll here ...
EXCLUDING Porn/Pics/Movies, MP3s and Streaming Audio/Video
Also ommiting the occasional BIG updates (eg: windows XP Sp2)

What takes up the most of your bandwith ...



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My Nephew playing Counterstrike. Approx 20MB per hour. He can play for 3 or 4 hours at a stretch. And then if my kids decide to play you can add their usage @ 20MB per hour per person playing online Multiplayer Counterstrike on local servers.

Not fair IMO.



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I had no idea that the online gaming takes up so much .. the last online game I played was Realms ... which I could safely play on my dial up modem ...

But thanks for that .. as I see that a few pple in other posts also mention online gaming as a major BW hog ...


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BlobNow, thats why I said you can't say to yourself that you will only download 100MB per day because it's the every day things that take up your bandwidth. Every time you send and receive email you can think of little pacman chomping up your bandwidth. I average 80MB per day on ADSL without downloading a thing. I don't play games or stream audio/video. Something I would like to do is listen to the radio but I can't because I'd be capped too quickly. Talk about frustrating!


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It isn't really a hog, 20MB per hour equals about 6KB/s which is less than ISDN speeds. It only seems like a hog because you have a cap you need to worry about!
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I had no idea that the online gaming takes up so much .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Well, before ADSL in SA, people used 56K or ISDN and who of them checked their Usage. An online Usage Tracker was unnecessary. Only when Telkom released ADSL was a Usage Tracker Implemented.
IMO, Telkom carefully thought out the 3 gig capping. They basically worked out that one person browsing and downloading a few files would use 2 or 3 gigs. That being said, the problem was that Telkom were greedy as they saw an opportunity to make more money out of ADSL which was already overpriced, by offering extra 3 gig accounts, quoting bogus "high costs of international bandwidth" for the R680.00 rental charge. And within this forum, everyone has clearly queried the Line Rental charge, saying that surely bandwidth should be an ISP cost.
Clearly Telkom has led the public on.
ADSL was designed as a Multi User Interface with easy to use Internet Connection Sharing Abilities to save on Dialup Costs etc. By allowing only 3 gigs of usage per account, Telkom has crippled an otherwise superb product. In other words, a family of four or a small office environment will easily use more than 3 gigs in a month and Telkom knows this.
The "Buy another account" scenario, also defeats the so called, bandwidth limitations Telkom speaks of as well. If Telkom cannot handle the throughput of ADSL on their network, they should be more honest and own up to their short fallings. If Telkom reaches their target of 500 000 ADSL customers, what would be the throughput then?
Perhaps Telkom's business model for ADSL was to restrict P2P etc, but they forgot that playing an online game like Counterstrike consumes 5 to 6 kbps per person from within the network. The nett result of about 15 to 20 Mb of data usage per hour. So if 3 people played Counterstrike for 2 hours per day, it would mean that you have consumed about 50 to 60Mb of your technically 100MB per day usage. Now add email and browsing and their is no ways you can download that SP2 file of 279Mb from Microsoft. You will be capped by the 15th or 20th of the month, just becase you like gaming. Pfft.

Lastly, ifs a rip-off that all local usage adds to the 3 gig cap.

Note: Telkom are well aware of the issues raised within these forums, but still fail to do anything constructive to make their product more useable. The 386kb ADSL offering was a step sideways and not forward. Certain people like myself have taken note of their (Telkom's)attitude and will be letting our feet do the talking when the time comes.





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VQuest: I'm curious ... how do you get to 80MB a day without downloading anything .. That must be an overstatement on your side or you have a virus ... Or are you saying that you get 80Mb from just browsing ... which I guess is possible with the way the americans design web pages. I've seen some sites with home pages (no flash) take up a MB of bandwith just to load all the cr@p and pictures JUST for the home page. Then again places like MWEB/Tiscali home pages aren't much better :)

BTTB, I agree with you that telkom are ripping pple off .. bu tthe thing is everybody knows it, we know it they know it but as long as they are the only ones, they are a monopoly they can do what they want ... and as long as government owns part of it they will stay a monopoly ...
Call me a pessimist but even with this announcement tomorrow (which already looks like it will be postponed) and pple trying to fight telkom ... this is a 3rd world country with (A) (N)ew (C)orruption working 'for the people', the problems of a few extremely wealthy (and lets face it, people who can afford R1000 for internet are very wealthy by SA standards) are NOT on their priority list and they will milk us as long as they can to get more money for their mercede... oops .. I mean for the people ...

Wow .. ok what did I eat last nite ... anyway I guess that's my view on the subject :)



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Basically what you are saying is that the Government is the underlying problem.

They have by their announcements in the last couple of weeks potentially liberated the Telecom Industry. Everyone praised the Minister, but in essence it was a long time coming and delayed. The Net Result is we are 10 years behind our trading partners overseas. We will always remain behind with the current status quo in place IMO.
Government moves to slowly and often only when pressure is exerted.
The majority of people in SA are ignorant to the Internet and might never enjoy its benefits. This is why Internet Usage should be available at every school in SA and the teachers trained accordingly. We might of missed one generation, but we should look to the next and build up the youngsters in school from Grade 1 level. And every school in SA must have decent PC's and not the old rubbish that is available. My daughter is always complaining to me about how slow the PC's are at her school.
The government must channel billions in this effort, now. Otherwise we will be another decade behind before you can rub your eyes.


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BlobNow</i>
<br />VQuest: I'm curious ... how do you get to 80MB a day without downloading anything .. That must be an overstatement on your side or you have a virus ... Or are you saying that you get 80Mb from just browsing ... which I guess is possible with the way the americans design web pages. I've seen some sites with home pages (no flash) take up a MB of bandwith just to load all the cr@p and pictures JUST for the home page. Then again places like MWEB/Tiscali home pages aren't much better :)
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Not an overstatement at all. I do a great deal of research on the net, so I do a lot of browsing. I also send and receive a lot of email, some containing attachments. It all adds up. Some days I do less than 80MB, other days I do more. But I average 80MB per day.

Before I had ADSL I never thought about how much bandwidth I used while doing everyday internet work. But now I think about how much of my bandwidth I'm using every time I hit the send and receive button.

So for me, 3GB is too close for comfort. If I ever do need to download anything I'm screwed. Before I got ADSL I was told that once you hit your cap your connection becomes like ISDN. I was pretty happy with that. But I found out the nasty truth after I was capped the first time. It was not fun.


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Playing BZFlag on a server in Denmark for 3 hours chews 45MB. *30days = 1.5GB. The rest is browsing + email and the dreaded VPN to work. I'll get figures on the VPN tonight. I typically cap out 3 days before month end which is really irritating.
I wish Telkom would stop measuring local usage at the same rate as intl. Its a criminal practice.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Before I got ADSL I was told that once you hit your cap your connection becomes like ISDN. I was pretty happy with that. But I found out the nasty truth after I was capped the first time. It was not fun.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

This is singularly one the biggest misconceptions about ADSL.

Telkom says,
"Once a customer exceeds the 3 Gigabyte volume limit for the month his international traffic will be transported over a slower international link without affecting his local access. He will experience slower access speeds on the alternate international link, as he will then be sharing this link with all other customers who exceed the 3 Giga byte cap."

The Truth:
The "He will experience slower access speeds", is none other than misleading the public. The Consumers viewing this ADSL Webpage; http://www.telkom.co.za/portal/page...RL=/pls/portal/docs/page/adsl/description.jsp
And reading that snippet will not understand its true meaning. One could almost call it a <b>"hidden latent defect"</b>, because take my word for it the Capped ADSL Speeds are unusable. Telkom knows this, but IMO, wants you to purchase another 3 gig account.
The general public or the technically un-savvy customer will be misled by this statement and brush it off. Telkom should tell the truth and explain to their potential customers that Capped Speeds are far below 33K and will time out. In Actual fact a 33 k modem on a noisy line would be faster.
Basically something that ICASA and the ASA should be investigating IMO.






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Ok I'm not using it at work .. I LEEECH the company B/W for that .. so it will basically be afterhours stuff ... the g/f chatting to her friends overseas, our combined mail, some browsing ... IRC , no gaming .. maybe 2/3 MP3 d/ls a month ... so the 6GB I'm going for BETTER be enough ... otherwise I'm going to have start taking my g/f out in the evenings ...

THEN AGAIN ... if I take the G/F out for dinner anywherer in Jhb .. it's going to be about R250 anyway .. so might as well just get more 3GB connections and stay at home ...



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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">so the 6GB I'm going for BETTER be enough<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I use a 6 gig acoount, because my wife needs to browse international websites for information on our business. Otherwise I would never of bought the 6 gig account.
BTW, as a matter of interest, what ISP did you choose and how much did it cost?

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Well I haven't chosen an ISP or a modem ... I have so far APPLIED for my ADSL line ...

I'm going to either go with DotCo or ODS ... as they are the cheapest ..
I spoke to the salesman at ODS and he was very good and really helpfull, BUT I sent them an email requesting info to their support email on monday and still waiting and the salesman said that their support is only office hours and after hours is cell phones.

DotCo were a bit cheaper and the support guys answered quite a few of my very drawn out emails so I was happy with that .. and they are the cheapest ...

So I'll probably decide between the two of them ... the nice thing being is that I only sign up month to month ...

I'm also looking at using the 1st 3GB .. then keeping it for all ocal stuff and use the other 3GB for int only ...

But now that I got your attention :) ... what modem should I use ...

I was looking for a cheapo modem but I'm kind of changing my mind to either a DLink 300T or aDLink 504T ...

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Just email me [email protected] for any questions or email that have not been replied to.

<font color="red"><font size="1">If you fill up a station wagon with data tapes and drive to capetown you could transfer 10000 GB in 11 hours, and it would cost you R 500 in petrol, Thats the kind of internet I wanna see !</font id="size1"></font id="red">
 
Dean, Please don't take my post as an attack ... I was asked who I'd go with and I chose you as one of my top 2 .. so that's a good thing ... but not to sound like a paid advertisement , in all fairness i had to point out any issues I had ...



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I totaly agree, with your point, and I find it unaceptable for emails not to be returned by myself of stff memebers.

<font color="red"><font size="1">If you fill up a station wagon with data tapes and drive to capetown you could transfer 10000 GB in 11 hours, and it would cost you R 500 in petrol, Thats the kind of internet I wanna see !</font id="size1"></font id="red">
 
BTTB u say you kids play counter strike. You must find out there nicks so i know when i am shooting them. lol!!! I can also be on there side and watch over them :D

There is no peace without war!!!
 
Misleading Telkom: Re usage

"This is singularly one the biggest misconceptions about ADSL.

Telkom says,
"Once a customer exceeds the 3 Gigabyte volume limit for the month his international traffic will be transported over a slower international link without affecting his local access. He will experience slower access speeds on the alternate international link, as he will then be sharing this link with all other customers who exceed the 3 Giga byte cap."

The Truth:
The "He will experience slower access speeds", is none other than misleading the public. "

Totally agree!
Found this out to my company's cost - spoke to Telskum who at first wouldn't give me a straight answer - we had an argument about semantics : what does it mean to be "downgraded" - turns out - according to the Telskum aparatchik (after much promting) - all people who exceed cap are shifted to a queing sytem that shares 200kb line! He (at Telskum) refused to accept that there could be more than 2 or 3 users exceeding their cap in SA! Frankly any more than 7 or eight users sharing that link would render it useless as I discovered. Thus they are misleading the public to say u still will have international broadband access. In effect you are cut off from international surfing - since I assume there are more than 8 people across SA ( irrespective of which ISOP u use) who exceed their cap near the end of the month at any one time. Thus they are forcing you to buy extra B/W.
 
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