What good for the goose...........

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Whats good for the goose...........

I have a question, maybe I am just stupid or something. How is it that those rather large companies in the Cape are advertising themselves as a WISP and even seem to have the blessing of ICASA. They are broadcasting across roads and public boundaries and dont have a problem. ...... But let little old me start a WISP and the world comes to an end. We tried to set up a wisp in a small town (wont say where else ICASA will be back) and were shut down before we even got the system propery aligned. All equipment is type approved and we have a shiny new VANS license. What gives ? Can ICASA threaten the Chairman of the building that he will be prosecuted if the equipment is turned on ? Surely it is not his problem ? Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around this as we have spent a small fortune on equipment and now cannot continue ?
 
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The same applies to cellphones. They broadcast across roads and you send your voice and sms signals across roads again. So, tit for tat? Nope. I think TheRodent knows alot about his.

My opinion is, if you can provide internet access to some people (maybe as little as 20) then good for you! You are doing the country a favour by helping people share the wealth of information on the net (or if they like pr0n they can have that too), but in reality people here do not like competition of any kind. They want their government to make the playing field as unlevel as possible. This country really sucks sometimes...
 
You shoulda told them to **** off, which is exactly what I will do if they rock up here and try take my wireless equipment.
 
TEK said:
I have a question, maybe I am just stupid or something. How is it that those rather large companies in the Cape are advertising themselves as a WISP and even seem to have the blessing of ICASA. They are broadcasting across roads and public boundaries and dont have a problem. ...... But let little old me start a WISP and the world comes to an end. We tried to set up a wisp in a small town (wont say where else ICASA will be back) and were shut down before we even got the system propery aligned. All equipment is type approved and we have a shiny new VANS license. What gives ? Can ICASA threaten the Chairman of the building that he will be prosecuted if the equipment is turned on ? Surely it is not his problem ? Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around this as we have spent a small fortune on equipment and now cannot continue ?
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TEK...please put up as much detail as you can...how and when were you shut down? when was the VANS license issued? confirm that you had not even started operating etc etc

you are welcome to pm me if you do not want to publicise details - will be treated in confidence (check profile/search forum if you want to know who i am)
 
I did not even get a chance to go that far. They threatened the owner of the high site that they would prosecute him if the system goes live, so he removed the breaker from the DB. Now I cannot get access to the high site, only ICASA can and they have said my equipment is going to be confiscated today. Cannot even sneak back into the building as they have cctv all over the place + you need an access card for the entrances.

I have called 11 people at ICASA but no-one seems to know what the rules really are. Some say if you are providing VOIP then the signal can cross boundaries others say cannot even provide VOIP unless you are telkom (bull****). Now we have gotten our lawyers involved but this all takes time, in the meanwhile I lose my equipment.

All I need to find is someone from ICASA that will put in writing the fact that the bodycorporate/chairman/trustees of the block cannot be held responsible for what goes on on their roof. I have given him a copy of our VANS and type approval but this is not good enough.
 
On one front ICASA are trying to make broadband cheaper.

On the other ICASA are shutting down competition.
 
But they are allowing the big guns in the Cape, Durban, JHB to continue because they know they will lose the fight in court. Whereas us little guys get all the negative attention and eventually squashed out of this business.
 
Whada bout some media attention

It looks like you have followed the correct and upfront legal road by obtaining a VANS license and are in direct open contact with ICASA TEK, so why not you or others on this forum turn the media heat right the way up.

Get Carte Blanche involved and get them to ask some questions regarding double standards, lack of uniform level legal playing field and maybe to even challenge ICASA and Dep. Comms. Ivy as to why they/SA gov signed with ITU over these bands but cannot seem to play fair....maybe the gloves should come off this time in the media...no good us all squabling over who can do this or that with the Telkom, Sentech, WISPs in CPT and JHB, MTN, Vodacom etc...the Convergence Law is in place, ICASA is in place and ITU treaties are in place ... lets make em use the framwork not work selectivley around it...

Naive I know to think the press will *actually* help, but hey revolution never comes through evolution..stir the pot see what floats... :eek:
 
As I have said before all the Wisps must get together and take on ICASA as they are pushing the pillar here and there , HOW come the Town Council can use 5.8ghz equipment and 2,5ghz PLS TELL ME WHERE DID THEY GET THERE LICENCE FROM ?????? And don’t tell me that they had one; this is bull s*** in my eyes. ( OLD LICENCE THAT THEY HAD FOUND AND RENEWED WITH ICASA ) S*&* S*%@
 
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Tek did they serve you with a court order? You can't just ignore a court order. And this criminal action, did you speak to the Inspector who
just can't wait to nail you? Have you ever had any dealings with the police?
If only dominic would give us the name of the investigating officer who
Mr.Mfunda at Icasa said is investigating Aerosat. I will drive to him
personally ask him when will the criminal trial go ahead.
You can phone Mr. Mfunda or Lee Ann Casey at 011 321 8425.
 
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This is the problem. How can they simply say we are coming to remove your equipment today and there not been so much as a warning letter. I have spoken to my attorneys and it seems there is some foul play involved here. ICASA needs to get a court order to physically remove equipment. According to my attorneys they need to notify me in writing as to the regulations that we are contravening (and be able to prove it) and give me time to get in line with the regulations. Also for all they know I am going to be providing service for the building only and not crossing boundaries. Something not right here !
 
They can't tell them to get lost. Remove your equipment before they take it.
NO court order, no removal it's that simple. But why don't you
use Dslam's? Where will they find the hidden Dslam?
www.communiverse.co.za will help you with your Dslam deployment.
And if Icasa can't do anything to council why don't you partner with council ?
 
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Aerosat is still going strong in PE. I know because my
connection is still working like a dream.

What I cant understand is that beach front cameras, the
parking boards, UPE and PE TEchnikon to name but a few
all use 2.4 Wireless. Why do they get away with it and
Aerosat does not?


How is this possible. Icasa go for the one and leave all
the others. Is that what they call fair or are they trying
to prove a point ??
 
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captainwifi said:
If only dominic would give us the name of the investigating officer who Mr.Mfunda at Icasa said is investigating Aerosat. I will drive to him
personally ask him when will the criminal trial go ahead
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charges withdrawn
 
dominic thank you very much for your reply, but it would be nice if
you could perhaps pm me the name of the officer and which commercial
crimes branch. I just can't get hold of the officers Icasa bugs with their
wi-fi cases.

Bruce no, I am not knocking anybody. My angle is that the entire SA should simply build their own community Wifi/Dslam networks, joyfully cutting through tar roads etc. If the police won't zap www.aerosat.co.za
after they lost the High Court case (which won't be appealed) then why would they clobber poor TEK ? Act.96 doesn't say you can't cut through
roads, it says you can't send data across roads. I simply can't understand
why some people will send data over the street via 2.4ghz, but won't
cut through a tar road, even after I patiently explained that we have been
given permission by Koos de Wet from roads division Nelspruit to do so. Am I perhaps missing something ?
 
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dominic thank you very much for your reply, but it would be nice if you could perhaps pm me the name of the officer and which commercial
crimes branch. I just can't get hold of the officers Icasa bugs with their
wi-fi cases.
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as far as i know - never met the gentleman - he was not commercial crimes but simply a sargeant who had no idea what was going on, was not in the slightest interested and was being led by the nose by the local ICASA guys....he was totally and completely irrelevant to the matter

please appreciate that i do not want to hand out his name as i do not believe i would be acting in the best interests of a client to do so
 
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