What is reliability like?

we're a 3rd world country? thats your excuse for not having good internet business? ok well you should probably know americans complain that taiwan and korea as well as other crappy countries in asia have poor people with 25mbit connections, not only did that get more people online meaning more businesses thrived but also they became a leader tech market meaning fortune 500 tech companies not only develop stuff there but also premiere it in those countries. 5 years ago these countries were worse off than us and in areas with no infrustructure they boomed with wireless connections to get everyone online. So right now thats alot of cash being brought in for thier economies and new markets springing up as well as cheaper electronic goods since they are less scarse in that market but think 5, 10, 15 years from now.. those countries are entirley computer literate, everyone there will know how to carry out tasks effectivly on computers and they will have more higher end computer users that will be involved in software engineering, reasearch and development etc which also means they will have a higher level of basic skills since you need math to do software engineering, you need to read/write in order to type and read web pages the list goes on and on.

I agree we make progress but its too little too late, WBS should have (could still be) the ones taking the next step, we coulda gone from 56k modem to crappy 512 adsl with bad cap to 1mbit with better cap leaving the next move up to someone else who wants to offer soemthign faster or cheaper or better but instead WBS didn't improve on telkom they just matched them. And it pisses me off because now I have to wait another year, 2, 3 for someone to take it a bit further.

and dont give me that 98% of african never made a phone call crap like thats an excuse. this is south africa and i dont see why we should be worse than anywhere else in the world just cuz we're in africa, just cuz some kid in asia is starving to death doesn't mean i will be happy with eating baked beans for the rest of my life, i want to evolve and end up eating caviar

you're happy because you went from 56k to 1mbit but in that same time frame the Uk went from 512 adsl to 8mbit adsl, swedes went from 1mbit to 100mbit.

One last thing competition isn't really heating up, you see uncapped services etc etc but you need to remember thats hardly competition, those companies are not in competition with telkom, they are customers of telkom, they buy the adsl and bandwith just like we do they just do it on a bigger scale get a bit of a discount and sell it to people sand then the power users go right to the limit and the casual users dont and subsadise the power users.
 
ClockworkOrange said:
I don't know why you all so negative about the cap. Not everyone out there is a power user or downloads linux distros every night. I've been on-line non-stop for nearly a week now (way above my normal usage, btw), and my meter shows 1150MB so far. Some surfing, some d/l's, some game playing, but in general for average home user I think 3GB is fairly adequate. 5GB would be better :p
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Do you like Internet radio ?

I do, especially radio Paradise.

With a 3gig cap, I'm limited to max 3 hours a day at a 128k bitrate.

And what about streaming video, like news feeds ?
I kinda like them - once again, your restricted to the amount you can watch.

3gig is 100mb a day which for an average netizen is NOT enough
 
but thats including upload/download overhead
basically we're given the bare minimum and told to be happy with it
 
the main reason i moved to iBrust was for speed. When working on international sites its good to be able to do stuff quickly and not wait 1/2 just to upload or download databases and so forth. For my purposes (web administration/development, email, occasional downloading ) it's perfect. However the standard or defualt cap should be ATLEAST 5GB.

But lets see what launch reveals... they might have some intersting products inline.... but probably not.
 
yeah speed is great and so far its just the best this country can offer nothign can touch it as it is right now, from 56k 3gb might seem huige but once you got that 1mbit feeling surfing down the highwar super blah blah (whatever the hell those idiots call it) you wanna check out the occasional video stream or 20
 
Coming from ISDN to iBurst I also thought 3GB would not be soo bad, however I changed my mind back in November when I realised just how quickly that 3GB disappears, and I was also suddenly highly aware of all the things I had forced myself to miss-out on due to high dialup costs & slow throughput.

Anyway we are waiting to see what will be available from 1st April, so I will reserve my comment once I have studied what WBS will be offering. I sincerely hope that WBS have some pleasant surprises in their packages bcos it will be a major downer if they haven't been innovative.
 
omg dont mention ISDN, let me tell you about ISDN, its a waste of flipping time, you know europe used to be way behind asia and north america with the internet, then around 97/98 there was a move to get ISDN in homes, then by 99 they realised it was a retarded move and started getting people to actually remove thier ISDN setups in favour of ADSL obviously (since better lines is better than more lines), by 2000 ISDN was obselete EVERYWHERE, and in 2005 Telkom is still pushing it on people like its a viable option, its dial up, nothing more and theres no excuse for even mentioning it in this centuary, telkom f**k off and die, kthx
 
bb_matt said:
Do you like Internet radio ?

I do, especially radio Paradise.

With a 3gig cap, I'm limited to max 3 hours a day at a 128k bitrate.

And what about streaming video, like news feeds ?
I kinda like them - once again, your restricted to the amount you can watch.

3gig is 100mb a day which for an average netizen is NOT enough
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Well, let me ask you this - 5 years ago could you even dream of listening to streaming radio? Not even for 3 hours, but for 5 minutes?
 
yes well its called progress its somethign we as people liek to do from time to time
 
slimothy said:
yes well its called progress its somethign we as people liek to do from time to time
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so what are we arguing about? I said before that progress is there. Give it time. There are always people who are behind in technological sence. Today it's us, tomorrow it might be those Koreans or someone else.
 
I do agree we have been starved for to long, Telkom sucks and rips all ISP's off by selling expensive bandwidth. 3 Gig is not enough for the average user, I would like more like 10. And all the rest ...

I do however have sympathy with ISP's in the environment they are operating in. On the one hand they buy expensive bandwidth, on the other customers demanding quality service (max speed the connection can take), and on the other hand people that abuse connections by downloading any and all the cr*p they can get their hands on, thereby using their bandwidth and downgrading the rest of their customer's service. It is like a balancing beam, give uncapped service and loose QOS (or make it more expensive to keep QOS), don't and loose a few abusers but keep the service cheaper and at a higher level of quality.

Nobody owes anyone anything. A lot of the mail in this thread sounds like someone owes them something. Don't be like a spoilt little brat, if you don't like the service, or the cap, you could always take your dollar to another service, or move to another country. That is what the free market is about.

Here is my suggestion:
It has become entirely possible to buy your own bandwidth and sell it to customers, uncapped (like all-you-can-eat). You can decide yourself what your profit margin should be, and where your level of service should be. Do the calculations and then see if we get such a bad deal from IBurst or the like. If we really do, then there must be a gap in the market for your new ISP.

Yes, why not start your own.
 
Gimli said:
I do agree we have been starved for to long, Telkom sucks and rips all ISP's off by selling expensive bandwidth. 3 Gig is not enough for the average user, I would like more like 10. And all the rest ...

I do however have sympathy with ISP's in the environment they are operating in. On the one hand they buy expensive bandwidth, on the other customers demanding quality service (max speed the connection can take), and on the other hand people that abuse connections by downloading any and all the cr*p they can get their hands on, thereby using their bandwidth and downgrading the rest of their customer's service. It is like a balancing beam, give uncapped service and loose QOS (or make it more expensive to keep QOS), don't and loose a few abusers but keep the service cheaper and at a higher level of quality.

Nobody owes anyone anything. A lot of the mail in this thread sounds like someone owes them something. Don't be like a spoilt little brat, if you don't like the service, or the cap, you could always take your dollar to another service, or move to another country. That is what the free market is about.

Here is my suggestion:
It has become entirely possible to buy your own bandwidth and sell it to customers, uncapped (like all-you-can-eat). You can decide yourself what your profit margin should be, and where your level of service should be. Do the calculations and then see if we get such a bad deal from IBurst or the like. If we really do, then there must be a gap in the market for your new ISP.

Yes, why not start your own.
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Nicely said...

I think another thing people should be wary of is Sentech which is 'uncapped' but basicly in the space of three months it went from great to crap. A 'cap' is a silly solution, but it IS a solution to stop people dll 80GB a month which does degrade services.

So yeah what if iBurst had to turn around and say: 'Hey... no cap but we are not going to promise broadband anymore'

I think offering 3GB at 1M for R700.00 outprices and outperforms most packages in SA. Thats a damn good start! If you think there are better services in this country dont tell me... USE IT!

but yeah a bigger cap would rule wouldnt it :D
 
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