What tablet now? (Xoom 8" vs Asus Eee 2)

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Just as I thought I knew what my next toy was going to be Motorola came out and stuffed it up.

1st it was easy.... I wanted a ASUS Eee pad Prime or no 2 with its sleek new design following the Zen book trend. Now I find out Motorola is bringing out a 8" Xoom media Tablet with inferred, so you can use this puppy as a TV remote :(

Also the ASUS Eee 2 quad core but the Xoom media only has dual core. They dont make it easy do they? Maybe I should go join the Apple camp and not have a choice at all, you know just be happy with what they feed me with.

Anycase check out the video and pictures for the Media over here

[video=youtube;x16LUdsMPqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x16LUdsMPqw[/video]

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[video=youtube;gQ6T0I8yKD4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ6T0I8yKD4[/video]​
 
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Just couldn't resist the dig hey? Pick the Motorola - there is something special about being one of 2,000 users. :-)


PS inferred = infrared?
 
If they(Apple) had a unified file system and allowed me to install apps from my PC without jailbreak, I would be there in a millisecond.

The reason why my iPad gets neglected is because of those 2 reasons, and no Open Source applications is not piracy.
 
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Google took over Motorola Mobile, so I also have serious doubts about whether to trust them or just drop them altogether.

If Motorola does not come to the table and make it easier to put customs ROMS, etc. on their devices then I would look elsewhere.

Let's see the new handset releases and how developer friendly they are and then I'll pass my judgement.
 
By my reckoning Apple has 12 different tablets to choose from. How many does Motoroogle have?
 
Google took over Motorola Mobile, so I also have serious doubts about whether to trust them or just drop them altogether.

If Motorola does not come to the table and make it easier to put customs ROMS, etc. on their devices then I would look elsewhere.

Let's see the new handset releases and how developer friendly they are and then I'll pass my judgement.

Well for starters Motorola only lock devices on SP's request. If you buy a phone/tablet outside of a contract they leave it open.
 
I'm not so sure about that, it might be that some devices get locked down on request of the SP, but take the Milestone family, it is locked from the get around the world and you cannot get an open phone anywhere and no one can do anything about that.

I can live with this, I can make due, what really dented my trust in Motorola is the lack of updates. The Milestone has had ZERO updates from it's launch, most other devices only got updated after there were some hostilities on the Motorola forums. They lack years behind other devices in this regard.

Granted I do not have any experience on the tablets, but I vowed my next phone is not going to be a Motorola, I'm going with a brand/phone that is much more open.

I know most providers had been slack in the updates arena and that needs to be addressed and will get attention in ICS I believe, but of the bunch Motorola had been consistently the worst.
 
Sorry I was referring to their new strategy: http://ausdroid.net/2011/10/21/motorola-razr-to-be-unlockable/

A few months ago I started a campaign to prompt Motorola to unlock their Android devices, now when I say unlock I don’t mean carrier unlocking where you can use a phone with any SIM card, I mean unlocking the bootloader which is the staging area of custom roms on Android handsets.

It is having access to the bootloader that allows you to flash modified versions of Android and custom recoveries (backup utilities) onto your phone. This is how you would load up CyanogenMod Rom or Miui onto the phone and thus change your Android experience, it is also usually the way you would flash a version of your own rom, but with root access and bloatware removed.

The last time I spoke with Motorola they said they were working on a bootloader solution that would allow the unlocking and re-locking of the bootloaders on their phones later this year. It is now “later in the year” and Motorola has informed me that the Motorola RAZR will be the first phone to have this new bootloader solution included.

I spoke with Christy Wyatt (VP & GM Enterprise Mobile Devices at Motorola) and the team last night to get an update on the solution that Motorola has been working on.
The Motorola RAZR which will be announced later this month in Australia is now the first phone to include the fully implemented lock/unlock bootloader software in it. Motorola recently debuted the device on the Verizon network in the U.S. and Christy confirmed that Verizon did opt to disable the bootloader unlock option. This doesn’t mean there is no hope for globally available devices. We were able to confirm that the global version of the RAZR will still have the code in it, but there will still be an opportunity for carriers to have this disabled. We will find out about Optus’ version at their launch on the 27th October.
This is in no way bad news, as once Motorola has officially launched the phone in their global markets, they will be working to have a list of the models that will be unlocked displayed on their motodev.com website.

There was still uncertainty around what this would mean for phones purchased free from carriers, but Christy did take an action to talk to her team and will get back to me soon.

Motorola also noted that they are now reviewing their upgrade metrics for their current devices and are formulating their Ice Cream Sandwich update strategy, this means that the new bootloader solution won’t be broadly deployed until Ice Cream Sandwich builds start rolling out to their phones (where carriers will allow).
Christy did mention that when it comes to determining which devices will receive Ice Cream Sandwich this year, it is based on volumes, carriers and hardware capabilities. A carrier can choose not to do an upgrade to their devices dependent on their testing requirements or sales strategies. We’re all too familiar with this when it comes to Telstra and it’s “NextG Optimising”.

There was an acknowledgement that Motorola has been on the more conservative side when it comes to the handling of the bootloader solution and this could be due to the U.S. market with which they operate in. They are starting to get questions from regulators around end users being able to modify code on the phone that could affect how it accesses cellular networks. It’s something that Motorola has to be mindful of while proceeding down this path to more open devices.

So over the coming weeks we should start to see some more information trickle out about the RAZR and which carriers will allow the unlockable bootloader. This has been a great result considering the locked down nature of all Motorola devices that have been released this year and almost all we can expect from a company as large and as tied to the U.S. carriers (not the most dynamic of thinkers) as Motorola.
On another note…

Now that Motorola has an implemented bootloader solution in the Motorola RAZR, I asked what sort of engagement would happen within the development community.

Motorola’s development approach up until now has been more geared towards App Developers and they currently don’t have plans around supporting community development. This does not mean that they are not willing to help the community, but currently cannot commit to it.
Christy and I discussed the option for community support from their internal development team and securing devices for developers in markets with locked bootloaders. This was another action that Motorola was going to take with them and get back to me about.

I have confidence that we will start to see some more openness from Motorola as the weeks progress and depending on the results of my questions that Christy will get back to me on, we could also see a bit more community engagement from them.

The Xoom tablet got every update so far, actually Xoom and Asus are the only 2 that is on the latest version, with the rest of the market laging behind.

I have decided to get a Droid RAZR at the end of the year to replace my DHD and depending on how I like it I will go for the Xoom 2 Media. I currently use XBMC and Samsung remote on my tablet for my TV but still have to grab the other remote for decoder so it will make sense to get that Media + I have the original ASUS Eee Pad so I can just continue to use that with the keyboard dock when I travel.

PS: that complaint about jumping to Apple was actually an insult to iOS but I guess most wont get it :)
 
I present you with option c and d
C being ipad 2 and d being kindle
 
Well that is good news indeed! Lets seem how they implement this and if it goes as well as the article states then I'll back them again.

In my mind, the brand that will win out at the end of the day on the Android front is the one who can stay the most current, lets hope this works out well!
 
Definitely the Asus if just for the Kal-El SOC and future proofing plus transformers apparantly get updates super quick, mind you I don't have one so that could just be talk.
 
Definitely the Asus if just for the Kal-El SOC and future proofing plus transformers apparantly get updates super quick, mind you I don't have one so that could just be talk.

I have one, we got every update within 2/3 weeks after release. ASUS already committed to giving us ICS on old Eee Pad's, just waiting for official release from Google

That is why its harder for me to decide.
 
I have one, we got every update within 2/3 weeks after release. ASUS already committed to giving us ICS on old Eee Pad's, just waiting for official release from Google

That is why its harder for me to decide.

Then I would say that should make the decision easier you don't want to get a XOOM and have to wait months for ICS plus the ASUS has quad core and probably a significantly more powerful GPU.
 
Then I would say that should make the decision easier you don't want to get a XOOM and have to wait months for ICS plus the ASUS has quad core and probably a significantly more powerful GPU.

But the old Xooms also got updates, in fact they got them 1st.... wth did Motorola not go with the dam quad cores... that is the only thing that is pulling me to Asus side.

Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
 
But the old Xooms also got updates, in fact they got them 1st.... wth did Motorola not go with the dam quad cores... that is the only thing that is pulling me to Asus side.

Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

Indeed. It may not make much real life difference but i still want a quad core so its more future proof :o
 
You may want to check this out before making a decision, not sure if this is true but if it is it's quite impressive.

transformer_prime_antutu_041242316423_640x360.jpg


Link: http://phandroid.com/2011/11/04/asu...ad-core-power-in-impressive-benchmark-result/

Judging by the graph it would also seem the transformer has about double the RAM of the other devices so 2 GB or it's just got a much higher frequency, still very impressive.
 
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I have decided to get a Droid RAZR at the end of the year to replace my DHD and depending on how I like it I will go for the Xoom 2 Media. I currently use XBMC and Samsung remote on my tablet for my TV but still have to grab the other remote for decoder so it will make sense to get that Media + I have the original ASUS Eee Pad so I can just continue to use that with the keyboard dock when I travel.

Out of curiosity, why did you choose the RAZR over the SGN?
 
Out of curiosity, why did you choose the RAZR over the SGN?

Its sexy, love the size and specs is almost on par with SGN will also get ICN so software not an issue.... It will most probably live longer in my day to day life.

Metal case + splashguard, because for some reason I just dont like plastic phones.
 
I think you should go with the Transformer 2 instead . Many new android tablet devices still feel slower than Apple devices because they have to do all the extra multi-tasking and widgets especially require them to do more work . Hopefully the Tegra 3 combined with hardware acceleration present in Android 4.0 should finally bring butter smoothness to Android tablets.

I personally think 8" is too small for my needs so just on a screen size I would only accept a 10" tablet.

I think you should wait for both devices to release and read reviews before committing , the Transformer 2 was reportedly delayed so that it could ship with ICS which i think this will increase consumer favour over the Xoom which will most likely ship with Android 3.2.
 
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