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Ok i want to take the foray into an upgraded camera.

I have been using my cellphone but find it too limiting. Budget is R5 000 and looking at low to mid slrs.

What will i be shooting. My children. Travel lots of old buildings and wildlife landscapes.
Family functions

My thoughts were either canon 1200d or the equivalent nikon. Or a decond hand canon 60d. Or nikon 5100.

Whats your opinion
 
My thoughts were either canon 1200d or the equivalent nikon. Or a decond hand canon 60d. Or nikon 5100.

Whats your opinion

I recommend the Nikon D5100, if you can get one second hand. This will be hands-down the best body in this price range for landscapes --- the D5100 has a dynamic range of 13.6 bits, compared to the 60D at 11.5 bits. Why does this matter? Well, the D5100 will be better able to capture the extremes in light intensity, i.e., capturing detail in the sky (bright clouds) while still capturing detail in the shadows. The measured difference (11.5 bits vs 13.6 bits) means that the D5100 will capture in one shot the same dynamic range that the 60D will capture by HDR-combining two photos (one at same exposure as D5100, and another at a 4 times faster shutter speed).

Also, the low-light performance of the D5100 is slightly better than that of the 60D, which is nice for indoor shots.

But, on balance, you have to keep in mind that the 60D is a higher-spec body than the D5100 in terms of handling --- the 60D is closer to the Nikon D7000 in terms of handling.

The lower-end bodies are easier to compare: there is no real difference between the sensor performance of the 1200D and the D3100 (both use really old sensor technology, despite the recent release of the 1200D). The Canon 600D also uses the same sensor as the 1200D (in terms of performance), as does the 650D. The only "entry level" body with a modern sensor is the D3200, but based on a recent thread, this will set you back slightly over R5k with only a single lens.

Lastly, despite all details above, you will not go wrong with any of these choices. If you are sucked into DSLR territory, you are going to spend a lot more in the long run on lenses and other goodies ....
 
D5100 for its huge dynamic range and image quality. You don't need high FPS or tonnes of cross type focus points for static images. It'll definitely suite you better than the other three options, but what glass are you planning to get? R 5,000 is going to be a stretch even with the kit lens.
 
OK the problem is sourcing a 5100 as it is out of production. Only second hand.

glass can upgrade later, will use the kit lens for now.
 
Managed to source one. Has an 18 55 lens. Would this be ok?

Yes, the 55-18 mm is a reasonable lens to start with. Depending on what focal length you prefer (see what focal length you used most often after the first month or so), you might consider the 35 mm f/1.8 AF-S G prime lens, or the 50 mm f/1.8 AF-S G lens (both go for about R3k new --- no idea how much they are second hand).

You should also be able to pick up a 55-200 mm AF-S G VR lens for about R1k second hand (they usually have some right there in the Outdoorphoto store in Pretoria).
 
Im still new into slr scene. So will have to see. It'll mainly be baby pics and travel pics
 
The lens isn't great, but it'll do until you have money to get something decent :)

Well, I would not go as far as to say that the 18-55 mm is a bad lens. I have no reason to complain about its image quality (keeping in mind its price). The f/5.6 max aperture at 55 mm is a bit limiting in low light, but optically the lens fine.
 
Im still new into slr scene. So will have to see. It'll mainly be baby pics and travel pics

Ah. I always say this, but my favourite baby/toddler lens is the 35 mm f/1.8 AF-S G (the one I mentioned above, about R3k new).

But you can still use the 18-55 mm lens to get great baby photos, even in lower light. Read up online on how to "bounce" the built-in flash (you can use a business card to redirect the flash so that it does not light the subject directly from the direction of the camera). Also try some tricks like using simple reflectors (white foam board, for example).
 
Ah. I always say this, but my favourite baby/toddler lens is the 35 mm f/1.8 AF-S G (the one I mentioned above, about R3k new).

I concur about a large aperture fixed focal length for baby/family photos. I bought a 650D two year ago for exactly the same reason.
I'd much rather have f1.8 - f 2.8 fixed focal length lens than f3.5-f5.6 in the 18-70mm range. You learn quite quickly how to zoom with your feet and I've only been limited on a few occasions from not having a zoom lens.
The cheap 50mm f1.8 lens I bought hasn't ever been removed from the camera body.

I'd highly recommend adding a flash unit to the mix (even though they're pricey) because once you learn how to use some basic bounced lighting off the ceilings/walls or even some off camera lighting, you'll never want to use a popup flash or a phone camera ever again. They're also very useful for "fill flash" outdoors where a popup flash doesn't normally have enough power to light the subject.
The built in popup flash unit found on a lot of DSLRs should be regarded as emergency flash units in my opinion. Their harsh, direct lighting ruins portrait photos in most cases.
 
The slr guys would probably not be happy, but you should also have a look at bridge cameras. I'm not a photographic guy, but also wanted a nice camera for family and travel pictures, but found that a DSLR would cost me too much at the end of the day. I bought a Canon Powershot SX50HS (+-R4500) and I'm very happy with that.
 
The slr guys would probably not be happy, but you should also have a look at bridge cameras. I'm not a photographic guy, but also wanted a nice camera for family and travel pictures, but found that a DSLR would cost me too much at the end of the day. I bought a Canon Powershot SX50HS (+-R4500) and I'm very happy with that.

The D5100 will cost 5000 not much more than what you paid but offers upgradibility.
 
The D5100 will cost 5000 not much more than what you paid but offers upgradibility.

I agree, it's just that the upgradibility can lead to some serious costs in the long run. It all comes down to what you want to get out of the camera and that camera fitted all my requirements.
 
I agree, it's just that the upgradibility can lead to some serious costs in the long run. It all comes down to what you want to get out of the camera and that camera fitted all my requirements.

Sure. Also your camera will be much smaller than a slr
 
The slr guys would probably not be happy, but you should also have a look at bridge cameras. I'm not a photographic guy, but also wanted a nice camera for family and travel pictures, but found that a DSLR would cost me too much at the end of the day. I bought a Canon Powershot SX50HS (+-R4500) and I'm very happy with that.

I have no issue with a decent bridge camera other than:

1. The lens.
Normally the aperture drops off very quickly as you zoom in so although it may be rated f1.8 at 18mm it may only be f3.5 at 50mm for example.

2. The popup flash.
Popup flash is horrid under just about any condition. No directional control and low power (need to be close to subject).
I've used a Canon DSLR flash unit in manual mode on a Canon SX40 bridge camera's hot shoe and although you lose all the goodness of E-TTL, it's still 100 times better than the built in popup.
 
Not long ago Makro was running a special on the EOS-M with the kit lens and a few other bits for R2999 - now that was a bargain. If I hadn't already bought one - mine came with the adapter so I could use all of my EF/EF-s lenses, a 22mm f/2, and a rather sad looking flash, I would definitely have gone for that deal. :o
 
Not long ago Makro was running a special on the EOS-M with the kit lens and a few other bits for R2999 - now that was a bargain.

Holy crap that is cheap, did you know about it during the sale or only after the fact?
 
Holy crap that is cheap, did you know about it during the sale or only after the fact?
I'm pretty sure someone, might have been me, posted about it at the time.
 
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