When will Mweb's no local Saix peering stop ?

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Hi,

Just wondering about this , my company switched to Mweb Business about 2 months before all this free and open peering or bust hooohaa started with MWeb . The problem we are facing that our major clients are all on the Telkom Network , and we are now expierencing some major issues supporting them via a VPN as the ping times to their VPN are very high and our products are web based causing slow responces etc. I can understand that their decision wont have such a major impact on non gaming general users , but not to peer with SAIX is starting to affect our business heavily and we are after all paying for a business service . We cant just walk away as well because we have a 12 moth contract with the bonded line service

Are their any other options Mweb ? , from your side to assist people using your business ISP service and unable to actually do business because of your peering policy you decided to change ?

Regards
Pieter
 
Hi Pieter

Unfortunately we are still waiting on a commitment from Telkom in this regard. We are more than willing to enter into an open peering arrangement with them as soon as they are ready to do so.

Regarding your concerns please could you PM me a preferred contact number, I'd like to get someone from our business division to discuss the matter with you directly.

Kind Regards
Will
 
I honestly support the drive to get open peering, its a tough thing to attempt.
Unfortunately Im sitting in the same boat where I have a SAIX infrastructure with mainly diginet lines and some of my clients have VPN links on their premises based off of mweb accounts. Most of the time mweb accounts wont even communicate with the SAIX ones and we end up with no comms, if I change the connection to anything other than mweb i.e WA, SAIX or afrihost then all is well again.
Its not getting to a point where despite me supporting the open peering idea, im going to have to recommend to my clients to change their service provider.
 
@Will , Thanks I Pm'ed you contact details

Rocket-Boy , I agree , I really fully support it in my personal capacity ,I have Personal uncapped account at home and are more than happy with it , but it's getting to a point where it's become unbearable to work :( , just hope Telkom comes to the ballgame anytime soon .
 
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I actually believe the DoC is going to do some work this year .
 
I' am advising my business clients to leave Mweb and change to different ISP. all 200+ of them, due to this peering issue.
 
ChrisGeo said:
I actually believe the DoC is going to do some work this year .
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Yeah, like the year before and the year before that. Roy seemed like a breath of fresh air yet even he has gotten beyond lip-flapping yet.
 
My suggestion to get around the problem without peering directly with Telkom:
The WACS cable system has a completion date of Q2 2011 with a landing point in Namibia and South Africa. Can the traffic between MWeb and Saix not be routed via Namibia instead of London which will result in a much lower latency. Then everybody will be happy and MWeb don't have to pay a cent directly to Telkom.
 
The routing would have to be configured from both directions as I understand it, so Telkom would then effectively be peering with us in Namibia :)
 
Even though I support MWeb on this in general, business clients who are effected should have their contracts cut if they want.
 
Le^stat said:
I' am advising my business clients to leave Mweb and change to different ISP. all 200+ of them, due to this peering issue.
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we all beat our chests and cry "oh the horror of telkom" but let any action against them inconvenience us one bit...

Blast you for wanting better internet Mweb! Blast you! :rolleyes:

Oh and you make 200 people change instead of just you? Wow, the ego!
 
Madman88 said:
Oh and you make 200 people change instead of just you? Wow, the ego!
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Yeah look, on a practical level one cannot blame people for doing whats best for their businesses. However from a principal perspective, it would not be a good thing for MWEB to give in to Telkom's demands and pay for peering.

Remember peering is a multually benefical scenario, however Telkom dont seem to satisfied with just this equitable benefit, they also believe they stand somehow elevated compared to the rest of the industry, thus feel they are entitled to be paid (handsomely) for sharing traffic with other local networks.

If MWEB capitulate, this will provide Telkom with justification for their stance, for which we all will continue to pay for many years to come.
 
Roman4604 said:
Yeah look, on a practical level one cannot blame people for doing whats best for their businesses. However from a principal perspective, it would not be a good thing for MWEB to give in to Telkom's demands and pay for peering.

Remember peering is a multually benefical scenario, however Telkom dont seem to satisfied with just this equitable benefit, they also believe they stand somehow elevated compared to the rest of the industry, thus feel they are entitled to be paid (handsomely) for sharing traffic with other local networks.

If MWEB capitulate, this will provide Telkom with justification for their stance, for which we all will continue to pay for many years to come.
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Thats my point. If anything you should be recommending that people leave telkom, not the other way around. It makes no sense to support the monopoly and crush the resistance.... unless you are the monopoly.
 
Madman88 said:
It makes no sense to support the monopoly
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Even more ironic is that our gov, which holds a controlling share in said monopoly, turn a blind eye to their continued obstructive stance toward open peering within the country.

The DoC professes to be the 'guiding light' for bringing universal access to the underserviced, but do they not understand obstructive peering policies create an artificial floor for the cost of exchanging Internet traffic locally?

This makes the likelyhood of cost-effective broadband for all just one more step further from reach.
 
All ISP's should just cut all peering to Telkom and force a massive public out cry.... Telkom will have to do something then! When 3/4 of the SA's websites are unreachable. MTN, Vodacom, Cell C, Neotel, Vox, etc should also just cut there interlinks for calls. No cell to landline Telkom will be seen for what they are by the technically challenged people. What is one day of not having Telkom calling the shots, i am sure we can all manage one day? Government should freak aswell....
 
What are my options. I run on a Telkom ADSL at the office (SAIX) and have MWeb uncapped at home office. My email addresses (home business) is @global.co.za, but it takes ages to retrieve this email at work and from home office (on MWeb) I battle to work effectively on work servers (which are SAIX/MTN based) I have auto forwarded my email to a telkomsa.net address and it worked but it is cumbersome. Is there an ISP that peers easily to Mweb (so that I can fetch email) and Telkom/MTN (so that I can work on servers.

Also: I was supplied by mweb recently with smtp server details: ismtp.tiscali.co.za, I have used relay.mweb.co.za before, but somtimes it works and sometimes not (on the SAIX lines). Honestly I have had enough of this peering issue. Is ismtp.tiscali.co.za the correct smtp server for @global.co.za addresses?

Thanks in advance for your help. I'll tell what works.
 
Its really sad that Mweb and Telkom are playing hardball. at the end of the day it has an impact on busineses in our country. it will most definately have a ripple effect. i cannot understand that telkom get way with murger all these years. do we atually have dummies in parliament. can we all not stand together and put pressure on the guavamint. we need to focus on them as its the only way on things changing. there must be an act ot bill somewhere that can force the system to change for the good.

sigh.............
 
knockout89 said:
What are my options. I run on a Telkom ADSL at the office (SAIX) and have MWeb uncapped at home office. My email addresses (home business) is @global.co.za, but it takes ages to retrieve this email at work and from home office (on MWeb) I battle to work effectively on work servers (which are SAIX/MTN based) I have auto forwarded my email to a telkomsa.net address and it worked but it is cumbersome. Is there an ISP that peers easily to Mweb (so that I can fetch email) and Telkom/MTN (so that I can work on servers.

Also: I was supplied by mweb recently with smtp server details: ismtp.tiscali.co.za, I have used relay.mweb.co.za before, but somtimes it works and sometimes not (on the SAIX lines). Honestly I have had enough of this peering issue. Is ismtp.tiscali.co.za the correct smtp server for @global.co.za addresses?

Thanks in advance for your help. I'll tell what works.
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Use Afrihost for capped or if you need uncapped Openweb GOLD.
 
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