Which Browser is better ?

[Prometheus]

now maybe there's a way to change it, but normally, if i hover my mouse over a thread title, it will show the first few words so you can get an idea of what the thread is about. but in opera, it just showed me the url, so that was not the best first impression...

I don't know what you're talking about but with me it shows both the whole title and address. Same with images and images used as links. You just have to hold the pointer over the link or image for just over a second.

Being a FF fan, I tried Opera - and I must say it is quite impressive. Many nice built in features (like the transfer tab).

A pity that rendering is not always correct (or maybe, more to the point, it is not so forgiving with page errors). MyADSL.co.za does not render correctly, and my own development site has some errors

The pages look right to me. Maybe you're referring to the fact that they don't look "exactly" the same as in other browsers. You seem to be forgetting that html was never developed for visual appearance but rather for markup. Pages are NOT suppose to look the same across all browsers. As long as they look ok and you can make out what is what then they are in fact renderred correctly. You can't say for a fact that FF renders them correctly as the designer intended them to look. It's a matter of which browsers rendering you prefer.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

i have tried out opera, and (naturally ) went to myadsl first to check it out.

now maybe there's a way to change it, but normally, if i hover my mouse over a thread title, it will show the first few words so you can get an idea of what the thread is about. but in opera, it just showed me the url, so that was not the best first impression...

anyway, i'm sure opera is a good browser, but i just like the "feel" of firefox more - personal preferences, i suppose...

I also like FF for a long time. Nothing wrong with it, just prefer Opra now.

That happens in Opera 8, where the first few words can only be seen in the title bar, If you check out Opera 9 you will see that this is being changed to the way you like it.

Just wait for opera 9 to come out, its going to be pretty hard to top that. And FF 1.0 to 1.5 had almost no changes on anything visible or speed. FF just stays pretty much the same and expects you to donwload all the newest exstensions to stay up to date and get preformance.

Opera updates things and innovates by its self, and everything in Opera is written by hundreds of proffesional coders so you know its made well, not just alittle exstension by anyone.

Its a different way of doing things, each of them can work well.

 

[Prometheus]

That happens in Opera 8, where the first few words can only be seen in the title bar, If you check out Opera 9 you will see that this is being changed to the way you like it.

I still don't know what you're talking about.

 

[jarr]

I still don't know what you're talking about.

in opera 8.54, when i hold my mouse directly over the thread title (in 'new posts', for instance), it will bring up a "tooltip" (for lack of a better word) showing the url of the thread. if i hold the mouse just above the thread title, however, the "tooltip" will contain the first few words of the first post of that thread.

in firefox, the "tooltip" with the first words will appear when you hold your mouse over the thread title, not somewhere above it. no biggie, just something i had noticed...

 

[Prometheus]

Ok. I never knew that. Go figure.

 

[Roman4604]

For me IE still best ...fastest page render speed & accuracy (to real-world not standards). IE7B2 now got tabs & with Phishing off is very snappy. For extras, use best-of-breed external apps e.g. dl mgr, torrents, rss etc.

 

[sdd]

Used opera since early days ... no problems so far ... except when accessing heavily encrypted sites ....

loads of features and the part i luve best is perceived speed incr due to easy picture removals .... and author mode....

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

mmm.. author mode. Another reason to love Opera.

And try Opera if you think IE renders pages the fastest, especially IE7b, apparently its gotten even slower than IE6. But not by much, youd hardly notice.

Opera really just has so many more features and will continue to be updated with new features where as IE7, once final, will only be updated once or twice in about three years like IE6.

 

[Roman4604]

And try Opera if you think IE renders pages the fastest, especially IE7b, apparently its gotten even slower than IE6. But not by much, youd hardly notice.

I have been playing with Opera 9b for a bit, but I still prefer IE7 cleaner interface and my perception that its a bit snappier.

BTW its IE7's new Phishing filter that slows it down ... turn it off and IE7 pages just snap into place.

 

[Prometheus]

I have been playing with Opera 9b for a bit, but I still prefer IE7 cleaner interface and my perception that its a bit snappier.

No wonder. You're playing with a beta or in my opinion a pre-alpha. Try Opera 8.54 instead.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

Its a second Beta btw, and its not that bad for a beta, quite stable really.

opera 9 has the Opera:Config window like FF, so you can get even more speed out of it by changnig the update delay and first update delay valuesd under user prefs. You could have done this before but it was a bit trickier.

If you enable these two small "tweaks" then I'm shure, for me atleast, that Opera 9 is faster. Maby the phishing block does slow it down a bit. I'l check it out. But I find IE7 to have very few (almost none) of the features that Opera has, no transfers tab, no internal source viewer (also new), no built in bit torrent, thumbnail previews of tabs etc. And opera can be customized completley, IE7 is built the way it comes and thats it.

 

[Prometheus]

I wasn't talking about the stability. It's the rendering that makes me stick to 8.54. They've done something to the old rendering engine that now makes the pages look very bad.

 

[Roman4604]

But I find IE7 to have very few (almost none) of the features that Opera has, no transfers tab, no internal source viewer (also new), no built in bit torrent, thumbnail previews of tabs etc.

Yep, extra features are non existant or not very good in IE7. While Opera's built-in stuff is nice, I still prefer external stuff, DL -Free Download Manager, Torrent - BitComet & RSS - FeedDemon.

BTW the latest IE7 build 5346.5 has a tab thumbnail feature. Not via mouseover as in Opera, but a mini tab that shows thumbnails of all tabs.

 

[.geek]

I'm not very keen on Firefox - I have tried it a few times, but I find the interface clumsy, and you need to track down and install 5000 plug-ins to make it usable.

How 'clumsy' can it be?

 

[Nokkie]

I use my gprs phone to connect to the internet and when I loaded FF onto my pc My web pages opened faster than usually so it really makes a difference when you use slower connection aswell.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

How 'clumsy' can it be?

Well its very basic, so many people would say that its not clumsy at all. But you can do alot more in Operas interface and and lot quicker than on FF.

It makes it look clumsy because you can really get to laot of feqatures through it.

And Roman, I also use a external download manager for torrents and normal ddls. But certain things arent caught by a DL manager, even the best ones.
So its nice to have a good built in download manager. And being able to do small torretns from the comfort of my own browser is nice, and it configures everything automatically, most Torrent apps have toons of features that take hours to set up.

And if you dont want any features you just dont use them, but the point they are there, you can even do mail and chat through Opera. Yet its still smaller to download than FF, which comes with practically NOTHING on a clean installation. And I'm shure all those exstensions become bad for you after a while, its tons of script to run andthey have to run with the app... im just thinking having everything written into the program by the people who made it is just better.

 

[Globetrotter]

Maxthon - incredibly full-featured, slick, seems generally very stable. Like NetCaptor, it uses the IE rendering engine, so it's IE compatible. Really good ad-blocking capabilities. It's hugely cusomisable. This is the one I use nowadays.

When I used Maxthon the first time, I was hooked immediately. It is definitely my browser of choice. I've customised it to suit my every need. I rely heavily on the mouse gestures too.

 

[Prometheus]

When I used Maxthon the first time, I was hooked immediately. It is definitely my browser of choice. I've customised it to suit my every need. I rely heavily on the mouse gestures too.

Opera has mouse gestures too you know.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

probably better than Maxathons too... lol

It even has voice capability, but I admit thats a bit much, its meant for disabled people.

But maxathon seems to have quite a few fans, Im geussing it registers as IE when viewing a page. So that should be taken into consideration when talking about browsers popularity. When people say 60% of pages are viewed on IE thaht includes Maxathon and the other IE platform browsers?

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

I wasn't talking about the stability. It's the rendering that makes me stick to 8.54. They've done something to the old rendering engine that now makes the pages look very bad.

I have also reverted to 8.54 for a while, mainly because 9.0beta cant render MyADSL properly.

But I have noticed that Opera 8 doest do the new Iburst website properly, infact its pretty bad. The menus are all almost unclickable, and the flash animatio leaves a huge white block in the middle of the main picture, while Opera 9 does this all perfectly.

So they are obviously trying to rewrite the rendering engine and jus thaving a few bugs, but I'm shure at the end Opera 9 will be much better. The end features are already great. Another one is the ability to organize your searches in the search box, you can make a search out of any searching block on any page. For example you can just right click on the search box in phazeddl.com and click "add search" it is now a extra search in your list in the drop down box on the interface.

Easier than looking for a FF exstension to give you a search-option for a site.