Which handgun do you recommend for EDC?

If u don't ming my asking, what's ur age ? At 10 meters ur grouping should be tighter, even if u are shooting without the red dot.

I also use a glock 45 which is basically a glock 19 action with a glock 17 grip.

This is from my last shoot around 40 rounds at 15 meters.

Is there a reason you say that? Depending on what distance your red dot is zeroed at, I'd assume better accuracy with the optic than without it.

Corrected my post.
He indicated in the previous post to this that he struggled in getting pass score on that natshoot target with 100 rounds.
Also with the red dot the grouping is too far apart.
Felt a little strange. I am new to this, so I am just curious
I am 12.

It was my first proper outing using the optic on my pistol. I've only ever shot with iron sights. Took out a box of 50 rounds that I used to play with the zeroing, practice and then do the Natshoot targets.

I did two targets, the first is the one I posted. I'll post the second target here as well for fun.

Better grouping in my opinion than the first, but 1 point less in score.

I rate in a month I could get it pretty tight.

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Its concerning... but seeing them dance around each other basically swapping positions doesn't fully make sense.
If they were moving in and out of cover positions I could understand. If anything they were just putting each other in harms way moving like that with pistols drawn.

Also the one person shooting from prone hit the ground a few metres in front of themselves.
It is reminiscent of the "cat stances" which we were trained to do about 25 years ago at an unmentionable government security agency. Completely worthless and a waste of time and money, plus the risks are huge. Did you catch man number 5 doing a ND right at the end after he went prone? :laugh:
 
I had a chance to get to the range this morning to tune the new Holosun 508T on my freshly milled Glock 19. Took about 30 rounds to get it nice and sweet at 10m.

Decided to also take the Natshoot s16 practical paper target with and just get that done with. Will be writing the online exam tomorrow. I think I can get my groupings a bit tighter still, although I am happy with the results for the practical. I could feel I was flinching a bit at the anticipation of the shots, and as I relaxed the shots got better. Also please need confirmation that I scored it correctly.

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Only one shot was an anticipated flinch. All of them can be improved on, if you focus on grip. If your grip was correct, your shots would have been where the green arrows point.

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Here is a Glock 19. How do you grip it? Weaver / modified weaver stance? Where are your hands and fingers touching the gun?

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The gun's "grips" are misleading, they are not for gripping.
Try this next time you are at the range: Do not touch the gun in the red areas. Hold the gun by applying pressure to the green areas only. You must be able to put a pencil between the gun's grip and your hand, on either side, and it must fall through. Fire 5 shots, own time own target. Record the results.


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Here is a Glock 19. How do you grip it? Weaver / modified weaver stance? Where are your hands and fingers touching the gun?
Had to do some research and also had another range day this morning at the farm. I use the classic weaver stance. I also grip the pistol in this way, thumbs to the left of the pistol pointing towards the target:

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The gun's "grips" are misleading, they are not for gripping.
Try this next time you are at the range: Do not touch the gun in the red areas. Hold the gun by applying pressure to the green areas only. You must be able to put a pencil between the gun's grip and your hand, on either side, and it must fall through. Fire 5 shots, own time own target. Record the results.


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I'll give it a 'shot' when I go to the indoor range again :D
 
Had to do some research and also had another range day this morning at the farm. I use the classic weaver stance. I also grip the pistol in this way, thumbs to the left of the pistol pointing towards the target:

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I'll give it a 'shot' when I go to the indoor range again :D
2 varkies ry mekaar, as I was taught
 
The gun's "grips" are misleading, they are not for gripping.
Try this next time you are at the range: Do not touch the gun in the red areas. Hold the gun by applying pressure to the green areas only. You must be able to put a pencil between the gun's grip and your hand, on either side, and it must fall through. Fire 5 shots, own time own target. Record the results.


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That's almost the opposite of what most trainers recommend. At least it's the opposite of the combat grip. Maybe it's some type of target shooting grip.

 
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Talking about grip, I had my G45 delivered to the shop this morning and put 50 rounds through it on the range. I spent most of my time trying to figure out the grip which as you would expect is very different from my 43x. It comes with a couple of backstraps for the grip so it can be adjusted, so I'll wait until i get it home and play around with it and find a good fit.

So, motivation all ready and signed, R168 in my pocket, off to DFO tomorrow morning 8am.
 
Talking about grip, I had my G45 delivered to the shop this morning and put 50 rounds through it on the range. I spent most of my time trying to figure out the grip which as you would expect is very different from my 43x. It comes with a couple of backstraps for the grip so it can be adjusted, so I'll wait until i get it home and play around with it and find a good fit.

So, motivation all ready and signed, R168 in my pocket, off to DFO tomorrow morning 8am.
What made you go for this model?
 
What made you go for this model?

First of all I have a 43x for EDC so I wanted something a bit more substantial for the range and also a bigger capacity magazine for my safe for when the zombie apocalypse comes. So I was deciding between a 17 and a 19 but the longer barrel of the 17 would make it a bit more difficult to carry concealed if I had to, and the shorter grip of the 19 was just a bit too short for me. So speaking to the gun shop guy and holding his 19x which is basically the same size as the 45, and doing the research it seemed a happy compromise to have the 17 grip and 19 slide.
 
That's almost the opposite of what most trainers recommend. At least it's the opposite of the combat grip. Maybe it's some type of target shooting grip.

Nope, watch again. He talks about getting contact with what he calls the "grip mound", and he points to the rear of the handgrip. That's the green area here:

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Also the green areas here:

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Nope, watch again. He talks about getting contact with what he calls the "grip mound", and he points to the rear of the handgrip. That's the green area here:

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Also the green areas here:

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Nope. You are supposed to apply as much pressure as you can to the red area using your support hand palm.
Really squeezing it in there, locking the gun between your 2 hands, leaving as little air between your palms and the grip as possible.

But you do you. Not going to argue, but you won't find anyone teaching a combat/sport grip with a gap between your palms and the grip panels. Not if you want a fast follow up shot, or any form of recoil management.
 
Had to do some research and also had another range day this morning at the farm. I use the classic weaver stance. I also grip the pistol in this way, thumbs to the left of the pistol pointing towards the target:
That's perfect and good enough for now. You will modify your stance when you get into the more advanced stuff, like shooting behind cover, both left and right.

The important thing is to know what it is that affects shot placement left and right, and what I described (hands and fingers touching grips) is 99% what causes it.

I'll give it a 'shot' when I go to the indoor range again :D
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Yes, do it, it might seem strange at first, but you have a 99% chance that it will improve your placement left and right, and get them along the centre line through the bullseye. If it doesn't work, you will only have wasted 5 rounds.

Then, for the ups and downs: I'd advise three things:
1. Get rid of the red dot holographic sight, until you are hitting bulls consistently at 30m with iron sights. Red dot sights cannot improve on poor technique, and may exacerbate it. 2. Check your sight picture, high shots are sometimes either because you are struggling to see the sight at the end of the barrel, and then lifting it, so make sure you have adequate lighting (night shoots come later, or they are a result of anticipation, here your muscles are trying to move with the guns' recoil before it even goes off. To unlearn this, see next point on dry-fire.
3. With most of the low shots, it is anticipation, your muscles are tensing up and flinching to counteract the anticipated recoil. You need to unlearn this, and easiest way is to practice dry-fire. At home, every day, 4x per day. Find a safe place, and use an old casing / dummy round to protect the hammer, not sure if you get snap caps for the Glock. When you eventually go to the range, tell yourself that it's a dummy round in the chamber. You wont flinch. The shot going off will come as a surprise, and it will land where your front sight was pointing.

Good luck!
 
Really squeezing it in there, locking the gun between your 2 hands, leaving as little air between your palms and the grip as possible.
I am not sure who taught you that, but hey if it works for YOU that's great.

What's your shot placement like at 30m? ;)
But you do you.
No, you do you. I insist :laugh:
you won't find anyone teaching a combat/sport grip with a gap between your palms and the grip panels. Not if you want a fast follow up shot, or any form of recoil management.
"Recoil management" happens in the green area of the diagram provided, not on the grips. Simple physics. Even in your video, he recommends using the web between thumb and forefinger as high up as possible on the back of the grip.

There are good and bad grips, no matter what "type" of shooting. Beginners need to be taught what causes the muzzle pulling left and right, so that they understand the left and right placement on the target. What they do afterwards is up to them, everyone has their own style. If you have progressed past this stage, mazel tov.
 
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Beginners need to be taught what causes the muzzle pulling left and right, so that they understand the left and right placement on the target. What they do afterwards is up to them, everyone has their own style. If you have progressed past this stage, mazel tov.
Beginners need to be taught the correct grip.
You do you by all means, but what you're doing here is trying to advocate the exact opposite of a good grip, putting back their training by months and ingraining bad habits.

A couple of quick snips from search page 1 (duck duck go) without even clicking on the links. Alternatively take a handgun level 1 course from any reputable trainer, and you'll be enlightened.


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Beginners need to be taught the correct grip.
You do you by all means, but what you're doing here is trying to advocate the exact opposite of a good grip, putting back their training by months and ingraining bad habits.

A couple of quick snips from search page 1 (duck duck go) without even clicking on the links. Alternatively take a handgun level 1 course from any reputable trainer, and you'll be enlightened.


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Why don't you answer my question?
 
Why don't you answer my question?
Because I'm trying to spare you some embarrassment.

It's the year 2024, the Fosbury flop is now dominating high jump events, and the modern combat grip is the only game in town for defensive pistol shooting.
 
Because I'm trying to spare you some embarrassment.

It's the year 2024, the Fosbury flop is now dominating high jump events, and the modern combat grip is the only game in town for defensive pistol shooting.

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Nope, you are trying to spare yourself the embarrassment and you are still avoiding answering the question.

Why would I be embarrassed at your poor shooting?

What's your shot placement like at 30m? ;)
 
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