The thing is i know why you gave such a response ...
@ warwick - its a good idea i will consider
@ mic_y - thanks this is what i am looking for
@ Merc - since i posted this in such a rush, and coming from Cybersmart, the CAPSAVER was stuck in my head, i should have been a little more clear but everyone (besides Wenger) understood my question
I speak under correction here, but I think SAINET was bought over by Cybersmart some time back.
Different brands and different teams I suppose, but still one big family