Which language do you want to learn next?

[[)roi(]]

Jirre pel that sounds awful, nothing like poorly written php to ruin a person's health. I never really understood why php like no other language excels in the amount of poor code written in it.

Awful code is not the limited domain of PHP; PHP7 can allow for some quite elegant code; it really depends on the developer.

All C variants have been a nightmare or so i have been told, you really don't want to dabble in low-level languages unles you ABSOLUTELY have to.

Many languages share syntax with C; and they're certainly not a nightmare in any way; neither is C btw. All languages have imperfections, some are just more flexible than others but it's certainly not just limited to those that share C syntax.

 

[CT_Biker]

I live in Europe and most people here in sofware development have degrees, a lot of them have master degrees. A degree will definitely help if you plan to move overseas

I am well aware of this fact, and also the fact it will be well worth effort to go down the BSc route, which I don't want to do mainly

Yeah, it'll definitely help. Especially if all your competitors have degrees.
But in my opinion, experience and a portfolio of work speaks louder than a certificate. If you've been to university you'll know, there are BScs who can't even do basic things that they're supposed to be qualified to do.

Hence why I do not mind starting a Degree later than my peers. We have this issue at work with two recent Grads. The one shows zero initiative, and struggles to write simple functions at time, I asked to be paired with him because he seems really scared and nervous.

The other guy is cocky, arrogant and the code he pushes gets yanked fairly often, I do not want to knock the guys who have a degree, I would like one myself. It is the individuals attitude that will determine their success in a programming environment. If you do not making mistakes, you are persistent and sometimes very deliberate. You'll improve.

I am no where near at the level where I can write a software package like MS Word, or some equivalent, just yet. I would love to give it a try...after I am done fiddling with my 68k

 

[vic777]

Why do you think this, Google does not require a degree, neither does Facebook. Elon Musk himself said he does not give a toss about your degree. I bet you a dedicated self-taught programmer with 4 years experience knows much more than the average computer science graduate.

Do you think the average European has ever heard of one of our UNIS, you may as well have gotten a degree from a University of Mars for all your degree means outside this country.

I work in Europe at the moment. I've worked in Europe before. No company ever had an issue with the fact that I had degrees from a South African university. I can tell you that most people I work with have a degree, and these are the people you compete against when you apply for jobs.

I also know of many people working at big companies like Amazon, Facebook, Uber, etc - they all have degrees.

Of course you can be a great self-taught developer - but a degree will only increase your chances of getting a job, not harm it

 

[sts_python_dev]

Objective-C is not really something to bother about anymore. Swift btw is not just limited to mobile; the server space is growing fast and it's an exciting space to participate in; similarly the native build of the Swift compiler toolset for Windows is available for alpha testing. As for IDE support; the Swift project team is building in compliance with Microsoft's Language Server Protocol which means that all of the Microsoft IDEs will be supported, but also many others including emacs on Linux.

Have you guys heard about Dartlang in Flutter?
if not, you should look into it if you're more into mobile app dev.
this might just become the react-native killer as the community grows!

 

[_kabal_]

/in before weekly native mobile discussion....

 

[[)roi(]]

Have you guys heard about Dartlang in Flutter?
if not, you should look into it if you're more into mobile app dev.
this might just become the react-native killer as the community grows!

You'll find my comments on this in this thread:
https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/flutter.994018/

In short, it has some very big drawbacks, similar to react native, electron and other similar designed solutions.
There is no substitute for the raw power of native platform code; but if I had to pick a higher level cross platform solution then I'd rather look at something for example like Xamarin or JavaFX or TornadoFX.

 

[Solarion]

HTML.

But seriously, maybe something like one of the Java platforms.

 

[Darko]

One of the Scandinavian languages I guess. Seems to be the most progressive region to relocate to eventually.

 

[Solarion]

Slightly OT, noticed something called Stimulsoft on Stackoverflow. Something to do with reporting. Often come across random information so will post it if it seems relevant. Perhaps even if you don't aspire to learn a new language or don't want to, maybe look at learning some of the tools and development environments out there, such as reporting tools.