Wouldn't have been 5 min and some bright spark would be referring to them as hopeless. Oh wait...
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Wouldn't have been 5 min and some bright spark would be referring to them as hopeless. Oh wait...
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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
I'm still waiting for an answer as to why this issue of the Death Penalty is so ultimately important to you Pooky?
Who says they're going to be a democratic opposition. IMO they just want their place back on the gravy train. These are the same people who trashed the country to fill their own pockets for the last 8 years. Now suddenly that they've been kicked out of power they claim all these democratic ideals and all those who complained about their conduct are now falling for this drivel and voting for them.
Seems all you need to do is change your party name and everybody gets back on board
Because it is the quality I hold most dear above everything else.
We can see that. But why?
news24
Expert Member
Who says they're going to be a democratic opposition. IMO they just want their place back on the gravy train. These are the same people who trashed the country to fill their own pockets for the last 8 years. Now suddenly that they've been kicked out of power they claim all these democratic ideals and all those who complained about their conduct are now falling for this drivel and voting for them.
Seems all you need to do is change your party name and everybody gets back on board
Perhaps, we should look at the top leadership of COPE, say Lekota and Shilowa, What roles and powers did they have in government?
Shilowa: Gauteng has been the best performing Province when it comes to Service delivery, why did Khutsong people fight so bad to be reintegrated back into Gauteng. Of all the Premiers during the last ten years, which one did better than the rest?
Lekota: Former Minister of Defence, now, which previlaged powers did he have as a Minister, especially when it comes to decision making? Minister of DoD is simply an honorary position rather than an Authoritative position. As far as I know he is not a Multi-Millionaire like other ANC members.
It seems people would like to Inflate other peoples failures and try as much to ignore their achievements. Lekota and Shilowa have grown as politicians.
If gravy trains is all that COPE is about, then I'd rather vote for them, than a party preaching about killing and machine guns.
I don't recall them protesting nevermind leaving the ANC when their policies were killing millions of AIDS sufferers or wasting billions on high tech weaponry we have absolutely no need for
ShannonS
Active Member
COPE is going to get my vote
Budza
Executive Member
Pooky= knobber.
Trying to reduce all parties down to their stance on the DP is a false dichotomy. As stated, some parties don't even bother to mention the damn thing.
Why is it so important?
If you cannot decide, and the country is in serious need of some opporsition, then vote for the largest opporsition party. It wont have a major effect, but will spice things up a little, and make the scumbags in politics watch their behaviour. COPE seems a good option for national, then choose another party for municipal office that reflects your stance on other things.
Trying to reduce all parties down to their stance on the DP is a false dichotomy. As stated, some parties don't even bother to mention the damn thing.
Why is it so important?
If you cannot decide, and the country is in serious need of some opporsition, then vote for the largest opporsition party. It wont have a major effect, but will spice things up a little, and make the scumbags in politics watch their behaviour. COPE seems a good option for national, then choose another party for municipal office that reflects your stance on other things.
Budza
Executive Member
Did I not suggest COPE
DA for local government perhaps.
& Scary = machine guns and showerheads.
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How about being the chairperson of the ANC for the past decade or so? Is that not authoritative enough?
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
How is the DA scary Pooky?
please explain this concept...
please explain this concept...
Not so much the DA but Helen Zille.
She really creeps me out. And I don't like their propaganda. It's all like 'STOP JACOB ZUMA'. Why don't they say what they're gonna do for the country instead of being negative towards other parties.
daveza
Honorary Master
Rule 27# of Politics - it's a lot easier to point out how bad the other guy is than how good you are.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
Hahaha Pooky, you are one funny dude...
Everyone is 'STOP JACOB ZUMA' except a large part of the ANC. They have repeatedly said what they are gonna do for the country, its called a manifesto. If yo uhaven't read it or heard other things thy have said, stop blaming them for your ignorence...
Everyone is 'STOP JACOB ZUMA' except a large part of the ANC. They have repeatedly said what they are gonna do for the country, its called a manifesto. If yo uhaven't read it or heard other things thy have said, stop blaming them for your ignorence...
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Actually Helen Zille is the shining beacon in that party. If she creeps you out, you need to seek help.
As for their "Stop Jacob Zuma" message, it is valid in todays political climate given what a mess he will very likely make of this country.
You will need a more concrete reason as to why the DA is scary. Having a single member of the party being creepy does not make the entire party creepy. As was mentioned, read their manifesto, it has more concrete stuff in it than the ANC could ever hope to have.
As for their "Stop Jacob Zuma" message, it is valid in todays political climate given what a mess he will very likely make of this country.
You will need a more concrete reason as to why the DA is scary. Having a single member of the party being creepy does not make the entire party creepy. As was mentioned, read their manifesto, it has more concrete stuff in it than the ANC could ever hope to have.
IF YOU CALL YOURSELF A TRUE SOUTH AFRICAN - YOU HAVE TO READ THIS! before the electio
Please read this semi-humorous letter from Trevor Mallach, a Shoprite Group executive and please pass on to just five friends with the request that they do the same etc., etc.
Hello fellow citizens
If like me, you don't have a passport from another country and you quite like living in South Africa , now is quite an important time for you.
Instead of using clichés like "the future is in your hands.." or "make your mark, let your voice be heard!" and other ineffective drivel, I am going to just draw your attention to the following:
Bob Mugabe had to amend the constitution of Zimbabwe to allow him to remain in power as president, long after he had reached his intellectual sell-by-date. (Before this, as in all "democracies", there was a limit to the number of terms which a president could serve). Having changed it once, he did it again. Then he was on a roll. The rest of the story we all know very well. With hindsight, we can see that had he been prevented from taking the first step, the whole sub-Saharan part of Africa would have been spared quite a lot of bother.
When Hitler took over Germany he systematically turned it into a fascist police-state, where no-one (no, not even German citizens) had any freedom. He did this by passing one piece of legislature after another. Slowly he started to ban things (like women shaving their legs and underarms). Next he formed a special police force which was under his personal control (the infamous Gestapo) to enforce these new laws. Then he banned some more things, like jokes, clever books and talking about him behind his back. By the time he had mobilised his army, and banned being Jewish or trying to stop him from invading your country it was TOO LATE! He had gained too much momentum.
"How did he and Bob manage this?" you may ask.
I'll tell you how: Baby steps.
Each time they changed something, they convinced all the stupid people that it was for the greater good. Clever people, who could tell that it wasn't, thought to themselves "Surely they won't get away with this" over tea and rusks, but did nothing. By the time someone decided to stand up and make a scene, his house had been burned down and his head was firmly wedged between an S.S. boot and the pavement outside.
Now, I'm sure we all agree that one "Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma" possesses neither the intellect, balls or charisma to start a world war. However, he has somehow managed to wangle his way into a position where he can very well take the first baby step towards making a complete pig's ear of our country. Old-school racist whites are always on about our country going to the dogs and ending up like Zim.. Of course they did this because they were narrow-minded and ignorant, not because they were keeping a keen eye on actual political developments. Our downfall will not be racism as everyone predicted in 1994, it will be corrupt politicians driven by greed and a hunger for power. And people drinking tea saying "surely they won't get away with that?".
Now,
JZ's trial has been scheduled for August (which is AFTER the election). After winning the election, the ANC plans on amending the constitution to prohibit the acting president from being prosecuted in a court of law. Just like with Bob Mugabe, the most fundamental law of the country will now be changed to suit the whims of a criminal with no brain. (Never mind the fact that this would actually mean that he could literally commit murder and get away with it until he steps down as president). Our constitution is literally the anchor which stops our country from drifting down river and over the edge of a waterfall. It leaves ultimate power in the hands of the courts and judges and prevents government from raising itself above the law. To allow anyone to mess with it is equivalent to committing a slow national suicide.
The ANC no doubt thinks they will again get the two thirds majority they need to tinker with the constitution in the April election.
I beg to differ.
I hope and believe that, unlike the sheep of the past in Germany and Zimbabwe , the average person who receives this mail has actually had enough of all these shena****ns and would like to see the appearance of justice, logic and efficiency in government.
Unfortunately, we are in the minority. However, to prevent things from getting worse really fast, all we have to do (for now) is:
VOTE !!!!!!!!
And then, when the election comes, vote for anyone except the ANC. You can vote for Vernon Koekemoer or Skippy Peanut Butter for all I care, just as long as no one gets a two-thirds majority!
I swear on my grandma's grave... if I hear someone (who didn't vote or couldn't vote because they were too lazy or hungover to register) complaining at a braai about the government I will come in from the side with a flying head-butt which will leave you so brain-damaged you'll join the ANC youth league and vote for Julius Malema in 2013.
This country is genuinely amazing, lets not let a small handful of people use it as their personal monopoly set and turn it into another post-Collonial African 3rd World sad story.
Vote, dammit! People are willing to die fighting for the right to vote. If you don't, and you end up watching as the country slowly slides into an abyss it will be "on you".
Ok, enough.
Please read this semi-humorous letter from Trevor Mallach, a Shoprite Group executive and please pass on to just five friends with the request that they do the same etc., etc.
Hello fellow citizens
If like me, you don't have a passport from another country and you quite like living in South Africa , now is quite an important time for you.
Instead of using clichés like "the future is in your hands.." or "make your mark, let your voice be heard!" and other ineffective drivel, I am going to just draw your attention to the following:
Bob Mugabe had to amend the constitution of Zimbabwe to allow him to remain in power as president, long after he had reached his intellectual sell-by-date. (Before this, as in all "democracies", there was a limit to the number of terms which a president could serve). Having changed it once, he did it again. Then he was on a roll. The rest of the story we all know very well. With hindsight, we can see that had he been prevented from taking the first step, the whole sub-Saharan part of Africa would have been spared quite a lot of bother.
When Hitler took over Germany he systematically turned it into a fascist police-state, where no-one (no, not even German citizens) had any freedom. He did this by passing one piece of legislature after another. Slowly he started to ban things (like women shaving their legs and underarms). Next he formed a special police force which was under his personal control (the infamous Gestapo) to enforce these new laws. Then he banned some more things, like jokes, clever books and talking about him behind his back. By the time he had mobilised his army, and banned being Jewish or trying to stop him from invading your country it was TOO LATE! He had gained too much momentum.
"How did he and Bob manage this?" you may ask.
I'll tell you how: Baby steps.
Each time they changed something, they convinced all the stupid people that it was for the greater good. Clever people, who could tell that it wasn't, thought to themselves "Surely they won't get away with this" over tea and rusks, but did nothing. By the time someone decided to stand up and make a scene, his house had been burned down and his head was firmly wedged between an S.S. boot and the pavement outside.
Now, I'm sure we all agree that one "Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma" possesses neither the intellect, balls or charisma to start a world war. However, he has somehow managed to wangle his way into a position where he can very well take the first baby step towards making a complete pig's ear of our country. Old-school racist whites are always on about our country going to the dogs and ending up like Zim.. Of course they did this because they were narrow-minded and ignorant, not because they were keeping a keen eye on actual political developments. Our downfall will not be racism as everyone predicted in 1994, it will be corrupt politicians driven by greed and a hunger for power. And people drinking tea saying "surely they won't get away with that?".
Now,
JZ's trial has been scheduled for August (which is AFTER the election). After winning the election, the ANC plans on amending the constitution to prohibit the acting president from being prosecuted in a court of law. Just like with Bob Mugabe, the most fundamental law of the country will now be changed to suit the whims of a criminal with no brain. (Never mind the fact that this would actually mean that he could literally commit murder and get away with it until he steps down as president). Our constitution is literally the anchor which stops our country from drifting down river and over the edge of a waterfall. It leaves ultimate power in the hands of the courts and judges and prevents government from raising itself above the law. To allow anyone to mess with it is equivalent to committing a slow national suicide.
The ANC no doubt thinks they will again get the two thirds majority they need to tinker with the constitution in the April election.
I beg to differ.
I hope and believe that, unlike the sheep of the past in Germany and Zimbabwe , the average person who receives this mail has actually had enough of all these shena****ns and would like to see the appearance of justice, logic and efficiency in government.
Unfortunately, we are in the minority. However, to prevent things from getting worse really fast, all we have to do (for now) is:
VOTE !!!!!!!!
And then, when the election comes, vote for anyone except the ANC. You can vote for Vernon Koekemoer or Skippy Peanut Butter for all I care, just as long as no one gets a two-thirds majority!
I swear on my grandma's grave... if I hear someone (who didn't vote or couldn't vote because they were too lazy or hungover to register) complaining at a braai about the government I will come in from the side with a flying head-butt which will leave you so brain-damaged you'll join the ANC youth league and vote for Julius Malema in 2013.
This country is genuinely amazing, lets not let a small handful of people use it as their personal monopoly set and turn it into another post-Collonial African 3rd World sad story.
Vote, dammit! People are willing to die fighting for the right to vote. If you don't, and you end up watching as the country slowly slides into an abyss it will be "on you".
Ok, enough.
marine1
Honorary Master
If you vote for ANC you have no right to come here and complain about the current state of this country.