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"The banking system is sloppy. I can't believe that a stolen, cancelled card was being accepted at almost a dozen places. Now I know why we pay ridiculously high bank charges. They have to pay up for all these transactions," she said.""

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3296051

Banks liable for stolen card transactions
June 16, 2006

By TASH REDDY, ROY BARFORD and MBULELO BALOYI

Banks and businesses that allow credit card transactions to continue if they know the cards are stolen or fraudulent will face criminal charges.

This was the warning from the Banking Ombudsman after South Africa's four major banking groups called on businesses to be more vigilant when processing credit card transactions as more cases of illegal transactions were being reported.

In many cases, in spite of cardholders having notified their banks that their cards had been stolen, criminals continued to use stolen cards.

Banks still do not have a system that immediately blocks a credit card once it has been reported stolen.

One recent case was that of Waterfall resident Freek Vermaak, whose bank and credit cards were stolen during an armed robbery at the Hillcrest Post Office on April 21.

Vermaak had reported his cards stolen the same day, but a few hours later his petrol card was used at two filling stations. Two days later his credit card was used at a shop.

Now the Banking Ombudsman says banks and merchants, if found guilty of allowing transactions to continue, will be brought to book.

Spokesman Monique Pillay said: "There is no set penalty, but if an individual lodges a complaint with us about transactions still processed on a stolen credit card, we will approach the bank and recommend that they refund the customer - including bank fees and extra charges. The bank will definitely bear the loss."

Standard Bank customer Sharon Gill cancelled her credit card immediately after it was stolen from her at gunpoint, but the perpetrators still went on a wild spending spree which lasted more than two weeks. After spending more than R3 000 on her credit card at several shops, the card was cut up when the one of the thieves couldn't produce an ID.

Gill said: "I cancelled the card within five minutes of it being stolen, but it was still being used weeks later.

"The banking system is sloppy. I can't believe that a stolen, cancelled card was being accepted at almost a dozen places. Now I know why we pay ridiculously high bank charges. They have to pay up for all these transactions," she said.

Pillay said: "If she (Gill) can prove with her slips what is happening, her bank could be in serious trouble. When you cancel a card, nobody should be able to use it," she said.

Standard Bank's external communications manager, Eric Larsen, said banks didn't hold customers liable for purchases proven to be fraudulent. The blame lay mostly with merchants who still processed the transactions.

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"The problem is, in many cases merchants are negligent and don't check the identity or signatures. But customers are not held responsible for the account. The bank pays for such transactions and in some cases the merchant is held accountable."

First Rand Bank's card fraud forum chairman, Jan Kruger, agreed that merchants were often at fault. "Banks need merchants to be vigilant when accepting cards for payments. Merchants guilty of processing fraudulent transactions will be charged and held accountable for those accounts."

Nedbank's media relations officer, Roshelle Pillay, said: "There are cases where cards are still allowed to be used as the banks investigate the matter and try to catch the culprits through the transactions they make."

Doug Hardie, Nedbank's general manager of client service, said: "Should the investigation prove that the fraud occurred for reasons outside the client's control, the client will be refunded. But in cases where confidential information has been given to third parties, the bank will not accept responsibility for the fraudulent loss."

Absa's manager of card fraud, Errol Smith, said it was in the best interest of clients to make sure they had lost card protection or fraud insurance.

"This will ensure that clients are not held responsible for fraudulent purchases," Smith said.

Jennifer Heeger, the media liaison officer at First National Bank, said a customer whose card was lost or stolen should report this immediately to their bank's hotline and then provide written confirmation of the incident within a day.

"Customers will not be held liable for any transactions that take place on their credit card as a result of the loss or theft, provided hey were not negligent in safeguarding their card or personal identification number (PIN)."

The problem is compounded by the growing numbers of syndicates that duplicate South African credit and debit cards and make large withdrawals from them. Despite systems to detect card fraud, the problem is spiralling out of control. Recently, banks admitted that information from the magnetic strip on cards could be copied and that the most active group was believed to be a Bulgarian syndicate.
 
Why don't beef the banks their security up with all those fees they're charging us instead of paying fat bonusses to management and shareholders. If they did that then maybe they can justify the riduculous fees they're charging at the moment.
 
Maybe this is where the money should have been spent, fixing this mess. Instead it goes to their profits etc.
 
This is incredible. I cant believe their systems are unable to cancel a card
 
The banks f***ing lie! The banks never cover the costs of fraudulent transactions, the merchant is always charged the full amount plus defaulting fees (aything from R50 - R175). They are more than capable of cancelling cards, and they do major checks with all transactions.

I know for a fact the banks do not take responsibility for fraudulent transactions - they pass the buck to the merchant.
 
Smart Cards

When Smart Cards are introduced Credit Card Fraud will be reduced significantly.
Everyone will have to enter their pin number when using a credit card in future.

See MasterCard, Standard test new smart payment system
Mastercard and Standard Bank are piloting a new smart payment system in SA aimed at making paying for cheap transactions faster and more convenient.

The system, called PayPass, will be piloted among employees at Standard Bank's head office in Johannesburg before it is rolled out to all the bank's MasterCard customers......
 
BTTB : That totally sucks. If I wanted to do that I would simply use a debit card and inform the bank I want pin code authorisation on it. I use a credit card for almost every transaction because it is cheaper and easier. If they take that away I will be very angry
 
Not really knowing how it is going to work, I think your Credit Card will work the same as the way you use your Debit Card.
Swipe and enter a pin number.
The current credit card machines like I have in my business has a separate slot for smart cards for future use.
It would appear as if the Smart Card may be smaller than your current credit card, judging by the size?

I don't know any more at this stage.
Just that as a Merchant we get charged more commission for customers that use Credit Cards.
The consumers forget that Retailers have to pay the bank commission on credit and debit card transactions.

I always snigger to myself when a customer requests a discount, but then produces a Credit Card.
 
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the pin introduction is actually meant more for card not present (CNP) transactions, like internet purchases. You will be directed to enter a pin code on a VISA, MasterCard, Diner's Club or other relevant cc company's page directly before concluding the transaction. This will obviously have a major implication on existing e-commerce websites, as the pin code will not be allowed to be requested straight from the merchant's site, but only directly from the approved CC company's system. A successful authentication code will be passed back to the Payment Gateway to finalise the transaction.

Card Present transactions will likely continue the way they have, though some vendors will have the option to enforce pin entry at the terminal.
 
kingmonty : That would be absolutly amazing. The CNP problem is something that has caused major headaches for my company. We have had to come up with some junk workarounds to get around this problem

But I am pretty sure that you will be able to do it via the merchant site via secure API's, much like you do currently. It will probably just present a new API to deal with pin codes
 
Kingmonty are you sure you are correct?!?! Chip & Pin has been implimented here in the UK... and it most certainly does not have an online *pin* entry system... IMAGINE the phishing that would go on if they started that?

Here they introduced it and had about a 6 month transition period... a month or 2 ago they switched over accross the board... but chip&pin has already been cracked.

http://www.itv.com/news/index_f22cdc956e83585c7e1c4b38ca904ee6.html
 
JStrike said:
But I am pretty sure that you will be able to do it via the merchant site via secure API's, much like you do currently. It will probably just present a new API to deal with pin codes
Visa and MasterCard both have severe reservations of having the pin entered on a site that they don't have ownership of, so a separate, standardised pin entry system will be implemented. It's pretty seamless, we have been implementing the new system in our test suite.

@BradBC: yeah, phishing will be a problem, but it is expected to be more secure. Chip 'n Pin is for Card Present (CP) transactions, the CNP (card not present) transactions where there are chargebacks is what's causing the most hassle for retailers and merchants though, as the merchants have to assume the full cost of these plus the bank charges, levies and penalties.

Im not sure what they're (Visa and MasterCard) planning in the UK, but in the US and some other countries, the new Pin Entry system wil be implemented in the next few years if the trials go well - we're one of the test systems in this regard, and obviously if the trials go ok, then they'll probably launch it in South Africa.

The problem with all this is that the criminals will always be a few steps ahead. But at least there is some effort to try and stop the online cc fraud we've been seing drastically increase in SA and around the world.
 
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