Why I Hate Android!

[Elimentals]

Yes but this is exactly the problem. Google should have far more power to dictate the actual - not hypothetical - openness that is available to the END USER. The openness actually in this case belongs to the carrier, which is a boon to them because it means they can screw it up however they want with no comeback from the software creator. Google has plenty of muscle to strongarm licensees if necessary, but in their appetite to secure market traction they actually used that muscle in the wrong direction.

Thats like Microsoft telling you how and when to use your Windows OS. Just not gonna happen. If they want that power they will have to switch to closed source and I can bet you if that happens millions of users + OEM's will switch in a heartbeat or even break away from the original code tree.

There is enough Open Source Mobile OS's out to do just that. Like I said only power we as end users have is our wallets so dont buy from OEM's that screwed you over, it will take time but in the long run will pan out.

 

[cerebus]

Thats like Microsoft telling you how and when to use your Windows OS. Just not gonna happen. If they want that power they will have to switch to closed source and I can bet you if that happens millions of users + OEM's will switch in a heartbeat or even break away from the original code tree.

There is enough Open Source Mobile OS's out to do just that. Like I said only power we as end users have is our wallets so dont buy from OEM's that screwed you over, it will take time but in the long run will pan out.

1) It sounds like you agree that the situation for end users is far less than desirable but you have this peculiar optimism that consumers will vote against bloatware by simply not buying certain phones. That is also not gonna happen. The Nexus phones which are the only really pure Android experiences have always been quite niche. Consumers buy what carriers and salespeople push them to buy. Google will continue to plead relinquished responsibility.
2) Which open source mobile OS's are you exactly referring to? Symbian? Meego? WebOS? None of these have anything like the traction that Android does.

 

[Elimentals]

1) It sounds like you agree that the situation for end users is far less than desirable but you have this peculiar optimism that consumers will vote against bloatware by simply not buying certain phones. That is also not gonna happen. The Nexus phones which are the only really pure Android experiences have always been quite niche. Consumers buy what carriers and salespeople push them to buy. Google will continue to plead relinquished responsibility.
2) Which open source mobile OS's are you exactly referring to? Symbian? Meego? WebOS? None of these have anything like the traction that Android does.

One can only hope.... its a bad can of worms and once its open there is no way to shut it... ever, I think that is why M$ is so **** scared of Linux.

On the other OS's yeah there is no traction now but if the big OEM's like Samsung and HTC jump ship it will not be long for others to follow. Also like I said nothing is stopping the OEM's to split from the tree. If Google decide to close their part there is enough developers and manufacturers out to keep what is out now going as a separate code base, just under a different name.

 

[cerebus]

One can only hope.... its a bad can of worms and once its open there is no way to shut it... ever, I think that is why M$ is so **** scared of Linux.

Oh you brave, tragic, beautiful dreamer.

On the other OS's yeah there is no traction now but if the big OEM's like Samsung and HTC jump ship it will not be long for others to follow. Also like I said nothing is stopping the OEM's to split from the tree. If Google decide to close their part there is enough developers and manufacturers out to keep what is out now going as a separate code base, just under a different name.

Samsung and HTC are incapable of developing a solid mobile operating system. Have you ever used Bada? And even if they were capable, there is one very good reason that Android has become indispensable to them: apps. Even a brilliant mobile OS with no apps is dead. And those guys are very far from being able to make a decent OS.

 

[Elimentals]

Oh you brave, tragic, beautiful dreamer.

You calling me a dreamer because of the one can only hope statement or because you recon you can place a lid back onto the can ?

Samsung and HTC are incapable of developing a solid mobile operating system. Have you ever used Bada? And even if they were capable, there is one very good reason that Android has become indispensable to them: apps. Even a brilliant mobile OS with no apps is dead. And those guys are very far from being able to make a decent OS.

Sure apps will be an issue if they go to another platform like WebOS but a code split from original Android is still possible and that dont come with that problem. Oh and it already happened there are forks from the original Android OS. MIUI is still closely matched but is very much a split from the original. there are 2 other totals splits of which I can not quickly recall the names but one I remembered was done by the Google's knockoff in China.

Oh and Amazon's very own fire is also seen as a code fork.

Edit: Aaah now I remember Baidu Yi

 

[cerebus]

You calling me a dreamer because of the one can only hope statement or because you recon you can place a lid back onto the can ?

Just calling a spade a spade. You really think M$ is scared of Linux? Rubbish - you know who they're scared of? Apple and Google. Linux is a nonentity to Microsoft.

Sure apps will be an issue if they go to another platform like WebOS but a code split from original Android is still possible and that dont come with that problem. Oh and it already happened there are forks from the original Android OS. MIUI is still closely matched but is very much a split from the original. there are 2 other totals splits of which I can not quickly recall the names but one I remembered was done by the Google's knockoff in China.

Oh and Amazon's very own fire is also seen as a code fork.

Edit: Aaah now I remember Baidu Yi

Yeah there are all kinds of permutations; all of which are confusing and damaging to consumer confidence. It's interesting that Microsoft took a diametrically opposite strategic approach to WP7 - I think they realized that fragmentation was an inherent problem with the open source business model.

 

[Elimentals]

Just calling a spade a spade. You really think M$ is scared of Linux? Rubbish - you know who they're scared of? Apple and Google. Linux is a nonentity to Microsoft.

I see it diffrently with all the fud they spread but we are all entitled with our own views

Yeah there are all kinds of permutations; all of which are confusing and damaging to consumer confidence. It's interesting that Microsoft took a diametrically opposite strategic approach to WP7 - I think they realized that fragmentation was an inherent problem with the open source business model.

You call it fragmentation, I call it choice. Personally I prefer being able to choose what I want instead of being forced to do something "their" way. I guess that's why you prefer iOS? Because everything works..... just as long as you do it their way.

Edit: As for Microsoft's new approach... we can not say if it was the better way yet. The OS is far to young to make that decision, if we used today's numbers it would be seen as a failure as their growth is still negative thanx to people jumping ship from 6.5. to iOS and Android.

 

[cerebus]

I see it diffrently with all the fud they spread but we are all entitled with our own views

That's the beauty of a free society innit.

You call it fragmentation, I call it choice. Personally I prefer being able to choose what I want instead of being forced to do something "their" way. I guess that's why you prefer iOS? Because everything works..... just as long as you do it their way.

I wouldn't say I prefer iOS. I told you I have an Android phone. I'm just a very bitter, critical person. You should have figured that out by now. Ok look I probably do prefer iOS over Android at the moment. But that's mainly because I just find the overall experience to be better. And that is primarily down to the apps. On my phone I have roughly 5 market apps installed. On my iPad I have .... somewhere around 30 maybe? I feel that Google is currently struggling to deliver on its promise.

One thing I can assure you of though; the wider market values experience above choice. Choice is just bewildering. Particularly if you leave that choice to the hands of handset manufacturers hellbent on imprinting their own lousy design choices onto the phone ecosystem.

Edit: As for Microsoft's new approach... we can not say if it was the better way yet. The OS is far to young to make that decision, if we used today's numbers it would be seen as a failure as their growth is still negative thanx to people jumping ship from 6.5. to iOS and Android.

I feel that it would be tragic if WP7 was a failure, because it's currently my favourite mobile OS just from a purely design point of view. It's beautiful. iOS hasn't evolved from a UI perspective in 5 years and Android keeps promising that the next upgrade will be the one that integrates everything.

 

[Elimentals]

Don't get me wrong there is plenty wrong with the base implementation of Android, that is probiboy why I run a custom ROM. I am just glad that I have the ability to do so.

Also on the app front I would have loved to see 2 markets from Google or shall we say 2 catagories.
1 as it is now with whatever goes.
2 a restricted section where developers have to pay premium and applications get tested for certification.

But I guess I will have to make do with searching for cool apps via reviews and word of mouth.

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[vinodh]

I'm just happy theres competition. The one side CPU battle between AMD and intel is an example. If Cyrix was still around and it was a three way battle, it would have been good for us. Same goes for graphics cards. If 3DFX was still around to challenge nVidia and AMD/ATI, we would only benefit.

 

[cerebus]

Since we're on this, I really like the way Microsoft has worked with providers to allow them to differentiate their phones without spoiling the unity of the stock UI. Different vendors are allowed to add apps as live tiles, which add value without smothering the phone. Like Nokia has Maps and HTC has a feeds application. And they're being careful that each phone is sufficiently differentiated from the others.

Also from what I've used the WP7 app store is already ahead of Android on a number of fronts (and iOS for that matter). Games are better supported and the XBOX Live utility is much nicer than GameCentre on the iPad (blech). And all the apps have the same design language based off of Metro - heavily typography based, which IMO is absolutely the future of mobile design.

Now the next step is to move up to higher resolutions. 480x800 is so outdated.