Why is there a differentiation between byes and leg byes in cricket?

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Because one has hit the batsmen on the body/leg while the other one is usually a mistake by the keeper.
 
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its the same thing as asking why is there a difference between a waist hight wide and a beamer? ( dangerous no ball):p
simply because the british made the game, crazy fellows .
 
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Because one is indicative of poor bowling or wicket keeping and the other is more indicative of fortuitous runs from the batting team. It also has to be signalled leg-byes so that the scorers can know how to score it correctly. If the umpire didn't signal leg byes then it is up to their judgement from far off the pitch to make a call as to whether or not the batsman touched the ball or not with the bat. I see what you're getting at though, that it could just be referred to as a bye, however the stats would then not really have much of a way of measuring the effectiveness of wicket keepers for instance. There are also a few different rules regarding leg byes, such as that a shot needs to be offered to be able to score - this isn't the case with an ordinary bye...
 
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If a ball hits the batsman on, say, the leg, and is deflected to such an extent that the wicketkeeper has no hope of stopping the ball, it should not count against his abilities, as byes do.
 
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rwenzori said:
If a ball hits the batsman on, say, the leg, and is deflected to such an extent that the wicketkeeper has no hope of stopping the ball, it should not count against his abilities, as byes do.
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It shouldn't yes, but then how does one measure that? By height, jumping distance, reaction time, size of glove etc? It's too subjective to make it into law. Or we could just go along with Daryl Hair's opinion that if you're not good enough to hit the ball with your bat, then you shouldn't be taking a run for leg byes, or they at least shouldn't count. He's lobbied the ICC about this if memory serves correct. It's the most absurd proposal out there. There are many, many occasions where it has absolutely nothing to do with a batsman's abilities...
 
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DJK said:
It shouldn't yes, but then how does one measure that? By height, jumping distance, reaction time, size of glove etc? It's too subjective to make it into law. Or we could just go along with Daryl Hair's opinion that if you're not good enough to hit the ball with your bat, then you shouldn't be taking a run for leg byes, or they at least shouldn't count. He's lobbied the ICC about this if memory serves correct. It's the most absurd proposal out there. There are many, many occasions where it has absolutely nothing to do with a batsman's abilities...
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I'm not sure what you are on about. If it touches the batsman's body ( not bat/glove ) and it is a bye, it's a leg bye. I was just explaining byes vs. leg byes, and echoing some of what you had said.

/me pees on that old cheat Darrell Hair.
 
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rwenzori said:
I'm not sure what you are on about. If it touches the batsman's body ( not bat/glove ) and it is a bye, it's a leg bye. I was just explaining byes vs. leg byes, and echoing some of what you had said.

/me pees on that old cheat Darrell Hair.
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Oh ****. I pulled a Pitbull comprehension there. I skimmed over it and misinterpreted - apologies.

/joins the pissing contest
/aims for the eyes
/realises the eyes were damaged long ago
 
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Law 26 (Bye and Leg bye)

1. Byes
If the ball, not being a No ball or a Wide, passes the striker without touching his bat or person, any runs completed by the batsmen or a boundary allowance shall be credited as Byes to the batting side.

2. Leg byes
(a) If a ball delivered by the bowler first strikes the person of the striker, runs shall be scored only if the umpire is satisfied that the striker has
either (i) attempted to play the ball with his bat,
or (ii) tried to avoid being hit by the ball.
If the umpire is satisfied that either of these conditions has been met, and the ball makes no subsequent contact with the bat, runs completed by the batsmen or a boundary allowance shall be credited to the batting side as in (b). Note, however, the provisions of Laws 34.3 (Ball lawfully struck more than once) and 34.4 (Runs permitted from ball lawfully struck more than once).

(b) The runs in (a) above shall,
(i) if the delivery is not a No ball, be scored as Leg byes.
(ii) if No ball has been called, be scored together with the penalty for the No ball as No ball extras.

3. Leg byes not to be awarded
If in the circumstances of 2(a) above the umpire considers that neither of the conditions (i) and (ii) therein has been met, then Leg byes will not be awarded. The batting side shall not be credited with any runs from that delivery apart from the one run penalty for a No ball if applicable. Moreover, no other penalties shall be awarded to the batting side when the ball is dead. See Law 42.17 (Penalty runs). The following procedure shall be adopted.
(a) If no run is attempted but the ball reaches the boundary, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball, and disallow the boundary.

(b) If runs are attempted and if
(i) neither batsman is dismissed and the ball does not become dead for any other reason, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball as soon as one run is completed or the ball reaches the boundary. The batsmen shall return to their original ends. The run or boundary shall be disallowed.
(ii) before one run is completed or the ball reaches the boundary, a batsman is dismissed, or the ball becomes dead for any other reason, all the provisions of the Laws will apply, except that no runs and no penalties shall be credited to the batting side, other than the penalty for a No ball if applicable.

© Marylebone Cricket Club 2003
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DJK said:
Oh ****. I pulled a Pitbull comprehension there. I skimmed over it and misinterpreted - apologies.
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LOL! NP!
:)
 
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