WiFi sharing across building

WillJo

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This is a request for advice, I have a Linksys WRT3200ACM router in an apartment block.
The ask is to share wifi with another flat which is separated from the router by 6 brick walls.
The furthest point is about 30 meters from the router.

I have 2 ideas:
1. Place a mesh node in the satellite flat and connect to the router with an ethernet cable over the roof. The cabling is very doable, I just don't know whether a mesh node would be compatible with the router.
2. Use an outdoor CPE goodie to send a strong signal over the roof or outside the window. That might work on it's own, or with an extender

Appreciate any help on these, or alternative suggestions!
 
Option 1 is best.

For a whole variety of reasons.

By the way, once you connect devices via network cable there will hardly be any compatibility problems. (The settings on each of the devices must just be correct.)
 
Thanks for those inputs, I'll go with the ethernet cable. I'll try an old Netgear EX6100 first and buy a mesh kit if that doesn't work.
Fibre is too daunting for me, so I'll risk copper as the area hasn't been prone to lightning
 
Does not have to be a mesh kit, unless you want seamless roaming, etc. If you run a cable, it can be any AP - which might be considerably cheaper, as well as any SSID...
 
Are these available off the shelf?
Any recommendations in Gauteng?
I use it at home.
I wanted to run network from one side of the house to the other.
There was a power conduit going from the one side to the other.
You can't run copper in that conduit (regulations about getting electrocuted in a bunch of sitautions), so I got some bend-insensitive SC fibre.
It is insanely thin (1.5mm) so doesn't really take up space and more flexible and bendable than any wire you'v ever used.
My other option was spent tons of money to get a run from one side to the other side.

I bought bidi (so single core), but if you are running new, just install 2 core and you can use something like this:
2x https://www.takealot.com/media-converter-10-100-1000base-t-rj45-to-1000base-x-sfp/PLID71574722
2x https://scoop.co.za/cudy-single-mode-1-25g-lc-sfp-1310nm-20km-sm100gsa-20.html

These can run for 20km but you get up to 80km SFP modules (even for higher speeds like 10GbE)

It really isn't cheaper, and definitely doesn't cost the same but it is significantly more versatile and robust.
When the little lights go on, it works, there isn't really a "sort of works" or "speed downgrade" or "noise on the line" type situation to worry about.
SFP switches exist, but switches that already have network ports on them work out far cheaper than a switch and then buying a bunch of SFP modules.
(Note for 10GbE the story changes, SFP switches can get much cheaper in that space for a lot of reasons).

And OFC you can use that same fibre for 1/2.5/5/10/40/100GbE if you need more speed in the future.

Lastly, even if you buy UV rated cable, still run it in a conduit (cheapest is just PVC from builders warehouse)
This counts for any data cables, I've seen too many ethernet and DSTV "UV rated" cables break down in less than 3 years in the harsh SA sun.
 
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I use it at home.
I wanted to run network from one side of the house to the other.
There was a power conduit going from the one side to the other.
You can't run copper in that conduit (regulations about getting electrocuted in a bunch of sitautions), so I got some bend-insensitive SC fibre.
It is insanely thin (1.5mm) so doesn't really take up space and more flexible and bendable than any wire you'v ever used.
My other option was spent tons of money to get a run from one side to the other side.

I bought bidi (so single core), but if you are running new, just install 2 core and you can use something like this:
2x https://www.takealot.com/media-converter-10-100-1000base-t-rj45-to-1000base-x-sfp/PLID71574722
2x https://scoop.co.za/cudy-single-mode-1-25g-lc-sfp-1310nm-20km-sm100gsa-20.html

These can run for 20km but you get up to 80km SFP modules (even for higher speeds like 10GbE)

It really isn't cheaper, and definitely doesn't cost the same but it is significantly more versatile and robust.
When the little lights go on, it works, there isn't really a "sort of works" or "speed downgrade" or "noise on the line" type situation to worry about.
SFP switches exist, but switches that already have network ports on them work out far cheaper than a switch and then buying a bunch of SFP modules.
(Note for 10GbE the story changes, SFP switches can get much cheaper in that space for a lot of reasons).

And OFC you can use that same fibre for 1/2.5/5/10/40/100GbE if you need more speed in the future.

Lastly, even if you buy UV rated cable, still run it in a conduit (cheapest is just PVC from builders warehouse)
This counts for any data cables, I've seen too many ethernet and DSTV "UV rated" cables break down in less than 3 years in the harsh SA sun.
A bit off topic but still relevant I think/hope.

What is your opinion about this kit? Fiber Optic Splice Toolkit - Advanced

I want to get away from CAT because the files between my computers and NAS are getting ridiculous. I have to leave it overnight and with load shedding that is not an option.
 
Wow, so many useful inputs, thanks!
I had no idea about off-the-shelf fibre, I thought expensive special equipment was needed (normally stolen from fibre installers).
My cable run is 40 meters, I'll ponder the fibre further but my thoughts are:
  • I'll need to accommodate messy extra boxes and power supplies on both sides
  • The route won't be shared with any other cable
  • Replacing ethernet after +/-3 years isn't too offputting, but I will look at narrow bore conduit maybe 16mm
  • I can cut down on clutter by using an AP with PoE (single cable)
Now, pushing my luck a bit for bonus points:
  • would I need more than cat 5e ethernet? (this is domestic use, only a couple of people but using netflix)
  • D4N_CPT opened a new world by introducing me to "access point". Now I'm thinking, would a good AP be a 13dBi outdoor CPE thingy to blast a wifi signal indoors and outdoors across the car park? (all this without giving everybody cancer). I'm really asking what AP has a good range and no safety issues
 
Wow, so many useful inputs, thanks!
I had no idea about off-the-shelf fibre, I thought expensive special equipment was needed (normally stolen from fibre installers).
Indeed you can buy everything from stores. Even if you just bought a fiber without ends, I paid about R250 call out fee and then R25 per splice when I wanted them to do a bunch of splices for me.
Yeah it isn't cheap but I think once off if you splice a bunch of fibers like I did, it isn't outrageous.

  • I'll need to accommodate messy extra boxes and power supplies on both sides
  • The route won't be shared with any other cable
  • Replacing ethernet after +/-3 years isn't too offputting, but I will look at narrow bore conduit maybe 16mm
  • I can cut down on clutter by using an AP with PoE (single cable)
So if you run your networking stuff in a conduit you won't need to replace it at all, hence my recommending it.
PVC pipe is super easy to work with. You can buy some cheap conduit and PVC glue and then the glue basically melts the two parts together.
Easy as falling out of a tree.

I'm sort of confused why you need a bunch of APs and stuff?
If you are running cable?
Or are you saying that there is an air gap where you need to connect Wifi wise? (sounds like it)

would I need more than cat 5e ethernet? (this is domestic use, only a couple of people but using netflix)
What you put across the network is irrelevant, it is more about the speed you want to achieve.
For Cat5e you'll be limited to gigabit ethernet, which I suspect is sufficient for you. (I mean do you even have 2.5/5/10GbE equipment?)

D4N_CPT opened a new world by introducing me to "access point". Now I'm thinking, would a good AP be a 13dBi outdoor CPE thingy to blast a wifi signal indoors and outdoors across the car park? (all this without giving everybody cancer). I'm really asking what AP has a good range and no safety issues
You can't get cancer from 5GHz electromagnetic radiation. Visible light, also electromagnetic radiation, in the THz range specifically, doesn't give you cancer. Neither has enough energy to knock electrons off of atoms. Ultraviolet 800THz+ is where the photons have enough energy to start being dangerous. CRT TVs give off low amounts of x-rays btw, and didn't see all these hippies worrying about that. Honestly people have no idea how the world works who come up with this fear mongering BS.

The only "issue" is if you have an unlicensed device and the signal is too strong it can disturb other things like cellphone networks and so on.
But those aren't really easy to buy anymore (haven't been for years).
For wifi these things are pretty strictly regulated in other countries, so we get the benefit of that here, Wifi has only gotten weaker every generation (to reduce their influence on telecoms networks and each other).

But you get antennas that are directional and those are probably more desirable because they suffer less from attenuation (signal getting weaker)
5GHz is readily absorbed by water, so rain can have a massive impact on your signal quality (it is why microwaves heat food, the water absorbs the 2.4-5GHz energy and gets hot from vibration. your microwave is like 1.4kW, your wifi router is 200mW LOL)
Another option is optical, you do actually get optical transmitters, but they need line of sight to each other, but they are usually faster, but from what I understand far more expensive because they are less common
 
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A bit off topic but still relevant I think/hope.

What is your opinion about this kit? Fiber Optic Splice Toolkit - Advanced

I want to get away from CAT because the files between my computers and NAS are getting ridiculous. I have to leave it overnight and with load shedding that is not an option.
Does your NAS, computers, and router have ports that support faster than 1 Gbps? In most cases, that's the limiting factor, regardless if you use fibre or lan cables.
 
Does your NAS, computers, and router have ports that support faster than 1 Gbps? In most cases, that's the limiting factor, regardless if you use fibre or lan cables.
I am considering going for a second-hand server and I am looking into this: ASUS XG-C100F network card Internal Fiber 10000 Mbit/s

That way I can get the most out of it. But to be sure I think the SSD and mechanical hard drives will be the bottleneck for sure. I have to store a lot of client information and it is getting big. I deal with a lot of wedding videos and footage. I don't do enough of it to call it a business but I do enough of it to call it a pain in my behind.

But raw files are big. I keep their footage around because they always keep on losing it.
 
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I am considering going for a second-hand server and I am looking into this: ASUS XG-C100F network card Internal Fiber 10000 Mbit/s
If you are buying just any network card, there is no point going for 10 GbE.
Buy from this list or don't bother: https://www.servethehome.com/buyers...liances/top-picks-pfsense-network-cards-nics/

Cheap network cards are cheap because they use the CPU for everything.
They do this by implementing everything in the driver.
And because the company is cheap, the drivers are badly coded and they barely function, except maybe Windows.

You are basically going to pay R2k to get the shiny "10 GbE" in your network icon on Windows and almost certainly not be able to hit that performance.
I haven't investigated that specific NIC in depth, but I've been at server world for a long time now and my 2c, buy Intel for your NIC.
They have entire teams for their drivers and the drivers are perfect on every OS.

Some of the other brands they mention in that link are supposedly good, I haven't been off the Intel NIC track for about 15 years now (since learning the above lessons), so I can't say for sure.
I can say however that I'm using Intel X540 (10 GbE), Intel X550 (10 GbE), Intel 82574L (1GbE), Intel i210 (1GbE) and they all do exactly what they say in every OS.

Case and point: https://www.amazon.com/Gigabit-Ethernet-Express-Network-XG-C100F/dp/B07VLC7LT3

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Now onto the copper vs fiber, etc.
Fiber costs more, so if you are trying to save a buck on the network card, spend more and get a copper ethernet card and you'll end up saving more in the end.

A 10GbE SFP+ module by itself costs $15-$20.
Switches with SFP+ modules look like a great deal until you realize it more expensive in the end.

How do I know?
I have 10GbE between my router and NAS and some 2.5GbE devices on my network.
 
I spoken to a friend a little bit ago, messaged them stating that I might be looking into accounting. I wanted to try my hand at bug hunting but It looks like a scam more then anything else.

What do you know about it? The server was for backup but I was hoping to install more then one VM on it and teach myself ethical hacking. I am good with Java, I am good with C and C++ getting good with javascript now. Not sure if it will help but I am looking for a "Stay in South Africa but work overseas" type of thing. The work I am doing now is killing me.

What do you recommend?
 
Does your NAS, computers, and router have ports that support faster than 1 Gbps? In most cases, that's the limiting factor, regardless if you use fibre or lan cables.
No they don't I thought about that when I was looking at my small army of laptops.
 
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