Will P2P ever die ?

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Hello!

It seems that winmx has closed its doors after the famous / infamous decision in June regarding the distribution of devices/programmes that make copyright infringement possible.

The Recording industry has just set its sights on others. Now I wonder if p2p will ever die, but how impossible will it be. There are so many way of p2p. Think about it. You get MIRC, skype, DC++, LAN gaming???, and so on and so forth.

There is no real way to stop us. For every measure there is a counter measure.

The whole point is that we connect to the internet and pay for our access, why stop us doing what we can do in real life anyway?

Secondaly is it possible to stop all of these applications?

Thirdly, by stopping p2p telkom will free up its precious bandwidth for the sole purpose of selling premium content over the very expensive line already!

If people like 50c and Black Eyed peas were so hard up for cash, i could understand. But I download a crappy 128k/b mp3 of candy shop and I think that the song rocks. I go to music and buy the cd. Now if it wasn't for "stealing" i would not have bought the cd in the first place.

so there!
 
Old argument that has been provent correct time and time again.

Just because people download a song it doesn't mean they would have bought it had they not been able to. Many people buy their favourite music on CD and download music they simply cannot afford. Some download and then buy. This trend has been proven.

I think it is stupid of the music industry to measure supposed loss in revenue by looking at the total number of songs downloaded illegaly. That is crazy because as I mentioned already people wouldn't necessarily have bought the songs they downloaded...

Restricting technologies like p2p because they can carry illegal content is silly. It is like shutting down the net because it facilitates the distribution of illegal content. Any car or bike can facilitate the distribution of illegal content. Why not make them illegal? It is just crazy!

The recording indsutry should move into the digital realm. It is high time they made their songs available for download at R1 per song. They will make a killing because of the vast market around the world. If I can download a song legally for R1 millions of others would also do that. Peace of mind because it would be legal and I most likely will get quick access to the song.

People don't download because it is free. They download because CD's are too expensive!
 
antowan said:
Just because people download a song it doesn't mean they would have bought it had they not been able to.
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This is SO true, and a fact the industry regularly overlooks. Just because I download a song does not mean I would have bought the song on a CD if it wasn't available for download. I'd just tape it on the radio, or from DMX or MTV or whatever other ways of recording it exists.

And even if there was no way to record a song, it still would not have resulted in me buying more CD's.

Personally I don't think piracy has any significant influence on music, games or movie sales whatsoever. People who want to own the merchandise will go out and buy it anyway. It is people who wouldn't have bought it in the first place that download it.
 
I've often wondered why it is that the music industry doesn't use the Internet as a 'teaser' for actual CD/DVD purchases, instead of fighting the medium. I don't know if it's technically possible, but what's wrong with providing downloadable music at a less-than-perfect sampled rate (without losing the ostensibly attractive features of the sound-bite, e.g. a thumping bass-line, a biting guitar-riff, etc.), and at an affordable cost, with the actual CD/DVD being marketed with perfect features plus more (video of bloopers, trailers of other productions, artiste info, etc.)? The blinkered view of the corporate cretins beggars all belief...
 
I agree with what has been said above. Similar scenarios are playing themselves out - a shift in the old way of doing things:
- Banking
Stiff banking prices, like we have in SA, are going to be hit hard shortly. Banking infrastructure is old and costly to maintain. Mobile banking is secure and cheap to run and transaction costs should come down.
- Telecommunications
Circuit switched calls are old fashioned and inefficient. Packet based appliations (e.g. IM and VoIP) are busy taking over.
- Marketing
Over half of SA's population have cellphones. Marketing/advertising sent to cellphones will be on the increase as the reach is far greater than expensive television time.

Want to start thinking smart? Answer this question:
When you leave your house everyday, what 3 things do you make sure you have with you? Post your answers here and I will explain a little later...
 
When you leave your house everyday, what 3 things do you make sure you have with you?
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Hm. Car/house keys, wallet and 2-way radio.

Too bad if I forget the irritating cellphone, which happens quite often.

:D
 
i'd buy songs of the net if we could in South africa.. but not at R109/12 = R9 cause you are getting a sub rate product and i just know thats what they do to 'keep' the profit as is.. things here in South Africa is just way too expensive. I remember they tried with uhm local music once.. friedjam.com was it not ? what happen to it ?
 
As long as the internet remains free and open P2P will never die.
 
more like, as long as the internet is there, p2p wont die :)
 
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The recording industry are going to die. With your help it will be sped up :D

As a musician, I absolutely despise the recording industry. Obviously there are some smaller record labels who aren't just out there to exploit the creativity of other people, but the big labels need to burn.

With the technology now available, its easily possible to record and produce an albumn yourself, with very little cost. The sad thing is the amount of underhanded crap that the big labels do in an attempt to impede independant artists.
 
Wallet = Finance
Car key = Transport
Cellphone = Communication
If you use public transport, then your house keys (most people keep their house keys with their car keys?)
So, the way of the future is to merge all 3 areas into one. The cellphone is making the most progress in this direction. Maybe unlocking your car using your cellphone (bluetooth or infrared) is around the corner? Cellphone banking is still in its infancy. There isn't much you can do with hard currency ito integration. Cars have lots of fancy electronics etc. but because of their size, you can't be with your car 24x7, unless you sleep and work in it :)
So, to all those inventors out there, the mobile phone is the way of the future. Integrate finance and transport, enhance communication (like IM) into it as best you can and you will have a winning formula.
 
Of course P2P will die - as soon as something better appears, that does the job in a more effective way (from the point of view of the users). That's the nature of technology. Something better always appears to 'do a better job' for the user - faster/more secure/more widespread. Until the next 'better' thing appears.
 
LoneGunman said:
Of course P2P will die - as soon as something better appears, that does the job in a more effective way (from the point of view of the users). That's the nature of technology. Something better always appears to 'do a better job' for the user - faster/more secure/more widespread. Until the next 'better' thing appears.
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I agree... but corrently P2P now being forced underground, which does more damage and now MPAA/RIAA have no idea how much piracy is going on. there will ALLWAYS be another one... The internet is a big place, and computers are fast enough now to apply real-time encryption and decryption and use any port the internet has avaliable.....

Watch the sites, lots of new Kazza/edonkey etc etc sites are going to spring up in copyright-free countries ;-)


Richard
 
BEWARE !

There is most definately one way for p2p to die, in addition to the freedom of speech the internet enjoys.

All it takes is heavy handed action by the governments of countries that produce the majority of web content.

It is no secret that many government ministers in governments worldwide are highly concerned about the open nature of internet communication, as it can threaten their grip on power. (usually behind the scenes, wealthy and potent corporations lurk)

It is also no secret that a mere handful of DNS servers are the 'backbone' of the net, not to mention the fact that a handful of ISP's are responsible for the routing of much of the data that makes up the net.

The very fact that the so called leading democracies in the world can go to war without any kind of citizen vote is a clear indication that should they chose to do so, internet communication as we know it can be heavily censored at any point.

Mark my words, extreme censorship has happened in the past, it can happen again.
 
Hi there,

What is stopping you from making your own Top-level domain... then giving the DNS address to all your peer-peer buddies ;-) Killing the current TLD controllers will open a void from other "non-official" DNS controllers ;-)

There are ways to circumvent everything ;-) ask DVD Jon

Richard

bb_matt said:
BEWARE !

There is most definately one way for p2p to die, in addition to the freedom of speech the internet enjoys.

All it takes is heavy handed action by the governments of countries that produce the majority of web content.

It is no secret that many government ministers in governments worldwide are highly concerned about the open nature of internet communication, as it can threaten their grip on power. (usually behind the scenes, wealthy and potent corporations lurk)

It is also no secret that a mere handful of DNS servers are the 'backbone' of the net, not to mention the fact that a handful of ISP's are responsible for the routing of much of the data that makes up the net.

The very fact that the so called leading democracies in the world can go to war without any kind of citizen vote is a clear indication that should they chose to do so, internet communication as we know it can be heavily censored at any point.

Mark my words, extreme censorship has happened in the past, it can happen again.
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RichardP said:
Hi there,

What is stopping you from making your own Top-level domain... then giving the DNS address to all your peer-peer buddies ;-) Killing the current TLD controllers will open a void from other "non-official" DNS controllers ;-)

There are ways to circumvent everything ;-) ask DVD Jon

Richard
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Well, in that case, the powers that be would come down heavily on Internet Providers.

I agree that there's always ways around things, however, once you silence the majority, the minority are harder to hear ...
 
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