Will This work for Cheap Shared Uncapped Internet?

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I read you can get a 4Mb ADSL line with an Axxess 384 Uncapped Express + account for R1588.00/month.

This info is based on information supplied by Axxess, where a user managed to download 967Gb for the month of March 2009 on this account. That adds up to an average of 31Gb per day and an average speed of about 378Kb/s!!!

Thus, the user paid a whopping R1.64 per Gb!!!

Will I be able to set up a PC on bridge-mode to be a server at my home allocating bandwidth and giving access via LAN cables(20meters) for me and five neighbors sharing the 4Mb/s line+the uncapped account of 378kb/s.

*What a line should be DSL up to 384kbps:
Down stream line sync speed:
Minimum 256kbps, Maximum 384kbps
Up stream line sync speed:
Minimum 64kbps, Maximum 128kbps

My home line:
Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin:
37.5 24.0 db
Line Attenuation:
32.0(instead of 63Kb) 17.5 db
Data Rate:
384 128 kbps

Now I can host a Smooth* DotA game on bridge-Mode with only allowing w3.exe internet access. I have a Mweb account and a Telkom line+phone rental you can guess the price.

378kb/s Divided by six = 63Kb/s (Download Speed)
R1588.00/month Divided by (five) = R317.60/month and (I'm Free)

So that is R317.60/month in total for the guys to have uncapped internet next to me at 63Kb/s. where I on a 384kb/s have 32.0Kb/s on a bad day and 37.0Kb/s on a good costing me allot more than R317.60/month.

So that is every thing is optimal I will get a rate of 63Kb/s per person and even if it is just 40Kb/s it is still basically UNCAPPED 384kb/s line!

So I was wondering if any of the above is possible?
 
if ur not concerned about the illegality of it
in theory itll work fine
in practise i dont believe those axxess numbers for ****
if u read all the stuff that goes along with it ull see that there are threshold caps while apply during the day time
so once uve done that ur day time speeds get capped to some specified rate around 192k
during the night u will achieve speeds of up to 420kB/s
during the day, from 8am to like 6pm u will NOT average anywhere close to the numbers stated by axxess
i dont know where they are pulling those supposed numbers from
those accounts just do not perform so well during the day as the claimed numbers say they do
 
6 people on a 384 connection is 384 / 6 = 64 kb/s line, hardly faster than dial-up.

But, then, after hours, then it jumps back to 4mb, then you'll be cruising. At the same time, any of your neighbours can create their own dial-up pppoe connection to bypass the restrictions axxess has in place on the uncapped product.

I say go for it, if you are prepared to lose the money you invested in the cabling if your neighbours decide to drop you. And, get the monthly monies from the neighbours first before you give them access.

You're going to want to do some prioritisation on that connection, so think about purchasing a small pc and installing IPCop on it, so that you can prioritise different types of traffic.

You're probably going to want to install a decent caching server on that machine as well.
 
Your numbers are spot on for a 4mb line (down speed), however Riot2 is correct and you will not get the 4mbps line speed during the day.
Assuming you reach the threshhold, with six people sharing the line i am positive you would, then your speeds during the day (8am - 8pm) will be approximately 192kbps or 32kbps per person. This equates to roughly 24KB or 4KB per person.

You also need to remember that down speed is not the only factor, especially when you are interested in online gaming, up speed plays a role too. 4mbps adsl in SA has at best 640kbps up sync speed and even at that sync speed you will most likely only see real world speeds of 400-500kbps.

Another factor you need to consider is that without some fairly heavy QOS rules running your latency is going to be drastically affected with 6 users sharing a line.

The final problem you are going to face is exactly as spiderz state.
 
if u r in pta check out www.ptawug.co.za
(they do not provide internet tho)
but it should take care of ur desire for uncappedness
 
And also are you offering 24 hour 365 day support? What if you are out and the router crashes. Or there is a power trip in your place. Will you go on holiday ever? If something goes wrong with your setup and you aren't there to fix it, your neighbours won't be happy.
 
Gaz{M} said:
And also are you offering 24 hour 365 day support? What if you are out and the router crashes. Or there is a power trip in your place. Will you go on holiday ever? If something goes wrong with your setup and you aren't there to fix it, your neighbours won't be happy.
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I will be able to be there almost 24/7 and I will have fail safes in place, I know how to rig a automated server and a backup one so it’s no hassle. Also I'm not selling my bandwidth technically I will just be accepting a cash debit for the use of my home lan :D, is it illegal to have a lan with your neighbors, poping the cable over the wall -_- or do you need the laned computers to be on same premises?(I’m not really “aware” of IT laws like that.) I don’t really see how R2/meter for a network cable will be costly for free internet. :D

I was wondering about the 384 uncapped accounts. Does it turn my line into a 384 line with a 384’s up & down stream during peak hours (8am - 8pm) or does it give me 384kb/s up & down stream at full because I’m on a 4mb, sorry for a stupid question I assume it is the first part?

So I was thinking what if I made it only four people on the network for roughly around R397/month and then me for free. I now have more bandwidth for peak hours and four people on a 384kb/s is not bad at all for just web browsing or emails hey and it is much better than open brows of peak deal.
Depending on my neighbors willingness I could even take a 512 account splitting the cost between four of my neighbors and me sharing a 512 line during peak times and then in off peak a 4mb line divided between us? I think that is a pretty good combo for a download spree and for me to have it for free! I only play games local and I have two phone lines at home so I will just pay for a 512 line for my own use for gaming on local only and then I’ll use the 4mb line for downloading with whatever my shared speed comes down to. So during peak hours I’ll allocate bandwidth only for emails and web browsing.

Will this work and what would be the data rates for a 384 account and 512 accounts in detail if I’m going to pitch this to my neighbors do you think they will like it? So even my neighbor wants even more speed and is willing to pay even more I could go to a 4mb account and depending on their usage I can work out a price plan for how much bandwidth/Speed they want to use. Note* I do have two lines so I can always get a 8mb con and split the cost if they are really bandwidth hungry and will to fork up the cash for it. Will one account uncapped work on two lines, just for interest sake?
 
Empiricism Philosopher said:
Also I'm not selling my bandwidth technically I will just be accepting a cash debit for the use of my home lan :D, is it illegal to have a lan with your neighbors, poping the cable over the wall -_- or do you need the laned computers to be on same premises?(I’m not really “aware” of IT laws like that.) I don’t really see how R2/meter for a network cable will be costly for free internet. :D
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Technically you could share it (give it away) and then accept donations from your neighbours :D

Watch out for running cables. One lightning strike and you are all dead in the water. CT fortunately does not have lightning as bad as Durbs & JHB. Wireless would be the way to go.
 
I'm going to attach the lines on top of the walls :P So I am just wondering but if every one does this :O does it mean the end to costly internet:D ?
 
besides all the legalities, you need to worry about upload speed; i think it ranges from 128kb (on a 384kb line) to 640kb (on a 4mb line). All you need is for one of your neighbours to do P2P/torrents; they could use up all the upload bandwidth and effectively kill the connection for everyone else.
 
Be carefull of becoming the common ground for your electrical connections. Basically make sure you have surge protection on your LAN cables. I've seen a situation where a lan connection between 2 houses back to back, which were on different electricity substations were continually were blowing the lan cards.
 
warwickw said:
Be carefull of becoming the common ground for your electrical connections. Basically make sure you have surge protection on your LAN cables. I've seen a situation where a lan connection between 2 houses back to back, which were on different electricity substations were continually were blowing the lan cards.
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I did not know this :O what can I do to prevent this?
 
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