Windows 10 Creator update conflict with Start10 and Nox

Johnatan56

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Hi,

I updated to the creator update, it took just over 2 hours to install/customize the user.

Upon logging in windows explorer kept crashing every three to four seconds, I could open task manager which allowed me to start a new task in order to get into msconfig and boot into safe-mode.
Safe mode booted up fine, didn't have an issue there (besides that it decided to change the scaling to 150% instead of the set 125%) and went to check the reliability history.
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So, I uninstalled Nox and Start10 and wanted to see if I can maybe roll-back as an in-case. Settings > Update & Security does not work in safe mode as it does not allow the service to start. Well done Microsoft.

Anyways, then I tried to get out of safe boot but every time one selects Normal startup and hit's apply/ok, the system configuration crashes. Yay.
Solution: Go to the boot window and untick safe boot and then tick make all boot settings permanent and then okay.
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I then managed to restart and get into normal windows, anti-virus is disabled with windows defender taking over, so just set that back up. Also go to settings > display > notifications and actions and change some of the settings back to what they were, those changed for me. And Updates > Advanced options "give me updates for other Microsoft products when I update Windows" was re-enabled.
You will get a ton of new updates available when you log on.

Well done Microsoft for making everything difficult.
 
Apparently Creator's Update is fudging up a lot of machines. Lot's of complaints so far... It even resets all the settings you changed for telemetry.
 
Gadgetology said:
Apparently Creator's Update is fudging up a lot of machines. Lot's of complaints so far... It even resets all the settings you changed for telemetry.
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Yeah, after many people touting it on this forum I'm using: https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
And I am using:
Remove one-drive:
Save as bat file
Code: 
@echo off
cls

set x86="%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\OneDriveSetup.exe"
set x64="%SYSTEMROOT%\SysWOW64\OneDriveSetup.exe"

echo Closing OneDrive process.
echo.
taskkill /f /im OneDrive.exe > NUL 2>&1
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 5 > NUL 2>&1

echo Uninstalling OneDrive.
echo.
if exist %x64% (
%x64% /uninstall
) else (
%x86% /uninstall
)
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 5 > NUL 2>&1

echo Removing OneDrive leftovers.
echo.
rd "%USERPROFILE%\OneDrive" /Q /S > NUL 2>&1
rd "C:\OneDriveTemp" /Q /S > NUL 2>&1
rd "%LOCALAPPDATA%\Microsoft\OneDrive" /Q /S > NUL 2>&1
rd "%PROGRAMDATA%\Microsoft OneDrive" /Q /S > NUL 2>&1 

echo Removing OneDrive from the Explorer Side Panel.
echo.
REG DELETE "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}" /f > NUL 2>&1
REG DELETE "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}" /f > NUL 2>&1

pause
And to remove the folders on the left:
Save as reg file
Code: 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Remove Desktop From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{B4BFCC3A-DB2C-424C-B029-7FE99A87C641}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{B4BFCC3A-DB2C-424C-B029-7FE99A87C641}]
; Remove Documents From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{A8CDFF1C-4878-43be-B5FD-F8091C1C60D0}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{d3162b92-9365-467a-956b-92703aca08af}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{A8CDFF1C-4878-43be-B5FD-F8091C1C60D0}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{d3162b92-9365-467a-956b-92703aca08af}]
; Remove Downloads From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{374DE290-123F-4565-9164-39C4925E467B}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{088e3905-0323-4b02-9826-5d99428e115f}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{374DE290-123F-4565-9164-39C4925E467B}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{088e3905-0323-4b02-9826-5d99428e115f}]
; Remove Music From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{1CF1260C-4DD0-4ebb-811F-33C572699FDE}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{3dfdf296-dbec-4fb4-81d1-6a3438bcf4de}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{1CF1260C-4DD0-4ebb-811F-33C572699FDE}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{3dfdf296-dbec-4fb4-81d1-6a3438bcf4de}]
; Remove Pictures From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{3ADD1653-EB32-4cb0-BBD7-DFA0ABB5ACCA}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{24ad3ad4-a569-4530-98e1-ab02f9417aa8}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{3ADD1653-EB32-4cb0-BBD7-DFA0ABB5ACCA}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{24ad3ad4-a569-4530-98e1-ab02f9417aa8}]
; Remove Videos From This PC
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{A0953C92-50DC-43bf-BE83-3742FED03C9C}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{f86fa3ab-70d2-4fc7-9c99-fcbf05467f3a}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{A0953C92-50DC-43bf-BE83-3742FED03C9C}]
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace\{f86fa3ab-70d2-4fc7-9c99-fcbf05467f3a}]



And previously to remove cortana:
Save as reg file
Code: 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; http://www.tenforums.com
; Tutorial: http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/25118-cortana-enable-disable-windows-10-a.html


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search]
"AllowCortana"=dword:00000000
And this is old uac, but creators update has removed it entirely so it doesn't work anymore.
Save as reg file
Code: 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\LogonUI\TestHooks]
"XamlCredUIAvailable"=dword:00000000
 
There is an easier way to remove Onedrive - not install it at all.

Just use Microsoft Media Creation Tool and download the N version of your Windoz. It also removes Windows Media Player. Thank you EU.
 
I've had no issues with Start10 since the creators update. Just 7+ Taskbar Tweaker that's doing my head in.
 
Have had no issues at all so far.

Yes a few things have defaulted back to the defaults, but my log files help me to find them and am currently going through all of them.
One of the settings affected are power saving settings, as well as what happens with the power buttons.
Most of the apps I do not want are back and I have to remove them again.

And the new Game bar options are what I am busy with at the moment.
 
Phence said:
There is an easier way to remove Onedrive - not install it at all.

Just use Microsoft Media Creation Tool and download the N version of your Windoz. It also removes Windows Media Player. Thank you EU.
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Then came Google and used MTP as a default to transfer any files to your Android phone via USB.

So back on comes Media Feature Pack and all the bloat.
 
Phence said:
There is an easier way to remove Onedrive - not install it at all.

Just use Microsoft Media Creation Tool and download the N version of your Windoz. It also removes Windows Media Player. Thank you EU.
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Thanks, it's easier just to use the quick bat file. :p
I have Windows that came with the laptop,
Bryn said:
I've had no issues with Start10 since the creators update. Just 7+ Taskbar Tweaker that's doing my head in.
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Yeah, I was still running 1.10, updated to 1.52 and all's good. It's just Windows on first login seems to be trying to do something.
 
I wondered why my laptop that had receive updates for other products switched to off was suddenly switched to on and now a zillion updates to DL.

Why the faq does MS do that, at the very least prompt the user to agree to the change or alert them to the change, whats the point of having the option if Ms is going to go against your decision anyway?

Has anyone found a hack to disable auto updates/restarts completely?
You could do it before with policy tweaks but those have all been nullified on my system after the update and I can't find anything on Google yet?
 
Arthur said:
@Johnatan56: Why tinker with the engine and gearbox to remove things? Just customise your UI and desktop and let the system work.
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My philosophy as well. It's a pita to get right but once it's done you're good until the next big upgrade.
 
Arthur said:
@Johnatan56: Why tinker with the engine and gearbox to remove things? Just customise your UI and desktop and let the system work.
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Because I dont like telemetry, the reg changes are UI changes, Start10 is a UI change. I hate voice assistants and its also one of the first things I disable on my phone.

The "breaking" was due to an older version of Start10 as I haven't updated since install and Nox is an android emulator which I was using to test some projects.
 
Noticed a new feature:
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I'm able to select Mobile hotspot rather than having to enable it through command prompt/third party app. I also seem to be able to turn it on while the WiFi is connected. To edit settings, Settings > Network & Internet > Mobile hotspot or just click on the network icon bottom right, right-click mobile hotspot and go to settings.

I also noticed that Hotspot 2.0 networks is enabled, under WiFi, not sure if this arrived in anniversary or creator's update, but it's a nice feature.
Strange that I have that option though, as according to this command, my device doesn't support it.

EDIT:
Finally windows 10 update hours have been increased, but it's still a max of 18 hours.
 
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