Windows 7 eleven second boot time?

[killadoob]

LOL peter ROFLMAO

The oven may turn on straight away but it does not mean you can warm your food up straight away, it takes time to get to 180.

Logic is seriously flawed there.

 

[czc]

So what about a simple work around;

Start boiling water, go switch on PC, finnish making tea, start working on PC.

 

[I am Penguin]

So what about a simple work around;

Start boiling water, go switch on PC, finnish making tea, start working on PC.

That must take to much planning for some!

 

[PeterCH]

These simple domestic devices "boots" from fimware imbedded electronics, they do not read from a booting hard drive. The only way to speed a PC's boot up process is to speed up the CPU processing cycles and hard drive reading/loading speed. That is possible by using SSHD's and top level CPU's/GPU', but that cost much more money. So the argument just not make sense. Even a DVD drive take time, it's not in a instant, it has to read the information into a memory buffer to be displayed, and that is minimum information like a menu and cannot be compared to the amount of information that has to be read by a PC, which need to load drivers, set up displays, start your software as loaded etc.

Your logic is flawed again. You're justifying the tool and not the end. A computer is a tool for most people - except IT guys - the tool is used to do work unrelated to the computer. Loading drivers and polling devices and whatnot could be done faster and instantaneously - but because of the bloat and lack of imagination - it's not done. The typical excuse that it would take hardware is the excuse complacent people give, not the ones who are responsible for the developments we have but the guys like Telkom who are happy to keep things back because for them they work fast enough. End user centric mentality is lacking in the IT industry.
Remember that modern CPUs, RAM and GPUs are hundreds of times faster than those in the 90s yet we still wait the same amount of time to boot the same OSes to do mostly the same things.

PS: are you sure this is not just a run-up to your usual "Bash windows, etc" rants?

I decimated you there so many times, and it appears I'm hammering you here.
Sucker for punishment are you?

 

[PeterCH]

LOL peter ROFLMAO

The oven may turn on straight away but it does not mean you can warm your food up straight away, it takes time to get to 180.

Logic is seriously flawed there.

The computer takes 3 min to boot too, but when it does boot it doesn't mean that your work is done (document typed up etc). Work only STARTS then.

You need to read previous posts, ne.

 

[czc]

So how long does a Mac take to boot?

 

[I am Penguin]

The computer takes 3 min to boot too, but when it does boot it doesn't mean that your work is done (document typed up etc). Work only STARTS then.

You need to read previous posts, ne.

So you want the document typed in the boot up time too? LOL.

 

[I am Penguin]

Your logic is flawed again. You're justifying the tool and not the end. A computer is a tool for most people - except IT guys - the tool is used to do work unrelated to the computer. Loading drivers and polling devices and whatnot could be done faster and instantaneously - but because of the bloat and lack of imagination - it's not done. The typical excuse that it would take hardware is the excuse complacent people give, not the ones who are responsible for the developments we have but the guys like Telkom who are happy to keep things back because for them they work fast enough. End user centric mentality is lacking in the IT industry.
Remember that modern CPUs, RAM and GPUs are hundreds of times faster than those in the 90s yet we still wait the same amount of time to boot the same OSes to do mostly the same things.



I decimated you there so many times, and it appears I'm hammering you here.
Sucker for punishment are you?

There we are the same FUD again, I thought as much. Bloated Software?

Even a Linux based Pre bios Asus Splashtop takes a bit of time

Read here and here then tell me where is the bloat now.

was a Webware story since it was, at the time, the only motherboard to ship with "Splashtop," an embedded Linux OS with Firefox and Skype. With this capability, 15 seconds after you hit the power switch, you could be online

I think it's safe to ASSume you do not know what the heck is going on.

 

[calvincoetzee]

sigh logic? The pc is on from the moment u press the switch then it loads up your OS.

Same as a kettle it warms up the water, what I understand by this is that you want for eg a kettle that you switch on and immediatly can pour the hot water, things don't work like that, if you want to use your pc straight away use DOS becuase then you'll only wait a sec for it to start up.

 

[Random717]

As mentioned earlier (I think), appliances are single purpose tools. You should compare the time it takes a kettle to start warming water with the time it takes notepad to open once you click on the link.
Try find an appliance that can handle as many different tasks as Photoshop before you start comparing the time it takes them to be usable.
I'm mentioning programs specifically because a computer is active within seconds of being powered on, but you have to wait for an OS that enables multiple capabalities to load before it becomes usable to you.
DOS will load in a second, but unless your editing a text file, or playing Tetris, you're not going to get much usability out of it.
Complex functions/abilities= greater loadup time

 

[kingrob]

Why doesn't Microsoft sit down with hardware manufactures and integrate a 32GB usb stick onto the motherboard?

 

[milomak]

iirc the C64 booted immediately.

 

[killadoob]

LOL peter you always make my day brighter with some good laughs .

 

[PeterCH]

sigh logic? The pc is on from the moment u press the switch then it loads up your OS.

Yeah but the OS could load up much faster. The calculator works from the moment you press the ON button. The PC should work like that too.

The work of the kettle is the boiling of the water, the work of the PC is not booting up the OS - that's work for you IT guys - but guys like me who use a PC to do work UNRELATED TO THE PC ITSELF - the work starts only when the PC boots up completely. Then I open up PowerPoint or Final Cut Pro or Word and actually start to work. The Kettle's end product is the hot water, the PC's end product is the finished PPT document - the booting up process is not my concern as an end user. Most end users think like this. If they have to wait for ages for a thing to boot up its because there is no alternative to it.

Same as a kettle it warms up the water, what I understand by this is that you want for eg a kettle that you switch on and immediatly can pour the hot water, things don't work like that, if you want to use your pc straight away use DOS becuase then you'll only wait a sec for it to start up.[/QUOTE]

The laws of physics also dictate that it takes a certain amount of energy transfer for water molecules to move fast enough to be boiling - the moment I turn the kettle on THAT BEGINS. The moment I turn the PC on - the PC starts to boot - that's NOT the WORK - the work is the DOCUMENT I will only get to begin with by the time the PC has booted up.

Now this could be avoided probably by having the OS in FLASH and having devices actually respond faster - so a boot up of 2-3 seconds would be possible - but that would also mean a rethink of the IT-centric paradigm around computer usage. PCs are cheap commodity items nowadays yet users still have to learn the jargon and other BS which goes with them. Apple Macs are less jargon requiring but they're also not perfect.

 

[PeterCH]

LOL peter you always make my day brighter with some good laughs .

That attests to your intellect if you can't see the reasoning in my argument.

 

[I am Penguin]

Now this could be avoided probably by having the OS in FLASH and having devices actually respond faster - so a boot up of 2-3 seconds would be possible - but that would also mean a rethink of the IT-centric paradigm around computer usage. PCs are cheap commodity items nowadays yet users still have to learn the jargon and other BS which goes with them. Apple Macs are less jargon requiring but they're also not perfect.

Flawed argument, how does the PC know you want to open a word document? Hmmm? You still have to load word and that can take minutes, but by your standards Word, Excell, Explorer, IExplorer, et all MICROSOFT are all bloatware. What I cannot understand is that with your strong convictions against Microsoft, why is it that you are still supporting the software and use it then, Maybe a case of there is just nothing better?

I knew you cannot post anything Anti Microsoft without throwing in the Mac word. Such a hypocritical shameless case.

 

[PeterCH]

As mentioned earlier (I think), appliances are single purpose tools. You should compare the time it takes a kettle to start warming water with the time it takes notepad to open once you click on the link.

So are PCs. A standard PC can only do what the software and hardware it possesses does. A Microwave-Convection oven can microwave your food, it heat it up using the hot element, it can do a combination, it can grill and it can do complex combos of grill/mic/heat etc based on the weight and type of food. The microwave oven starts up virtually instantaneously. You could say it's only purpose is to cook food - but look it's doing so through a variety of means - I can also say that the purpose of the PC is to produce digital documents which are transferred to the monitor, printer, network etc.

The fact that a CPU and GPU are programmable has nothing to do with the length of time it takes to boot them up.

Try find an appliance that can handle as many different tasks as Photoshop before you start comparing the time it takes them to be usable.
I'm mentioning programs specifically because a computer is active within seconds of being powered on, but you have to wait for an OS that enables multiple capabalities to load before it becomes usable to you.

Think about what you said. It is logically fallacious. There is nothing preventing the computer from booting up in an insignificant amount of time. Nothing. It only takes a redesign of how devices respond to being polled, how quickly a harddrive unparks (for SSDs there's no perceived latency) and how well designed the operating system is. A computer in 1993 would take 2 min to boot up, right now the same OS often takes that long too - yet the harddrive is probably 10x as fast, the CPU is 100-1000x faster, the memory is 50-100x faster and so on.

DOS will load in a second, but unless your editing a text file, or playing Tetris, you're not going to get much usability out of it.
Complex functions/abilities= greater loadup time

Not really. There is nothing there which says it MUST take longer time to get things read to do work because the menu interface is graphical.

 

[PeterCH]

Flawed argument, how does the PC know you want to open a word document?

How does a microwave oven know I want to cook 2kg of pork? That info is inputted once the mw starts up. In the same way I double click a file in the PC and it starts up the associated program. I don't have an issue with that. I have an issue with sitting around while the PC is unusable for long periods of time.

Hmmm? You still have to load word and that can take minutes, but by your standards Word, Excell, Explorer, IExplorer, et all MICROSOFT are all bloatware.

No I said the OS is full of bloat. The application packages are often full of bloat too but that doesn't always slow the OS bootup process. YES Office is BLOATED but that's not the argument here. Don't get confused.

What I cannot understand is that with your strong convictions against Microsoft, why is it that you are still supporting the software and use it then, Maybe a case of there is just nothing better?

What I don't understand is if you can't argue things unrelated to other posts you just don't stay out of them. Me not liking MS has nothing to do with this discussion. You're a techie - IT no doubt - and for you the boot up process is a wonderful affair no doubt - it's the end in itself - for others like me who use their PCs to do work unrelated to the PC (I know it's hard for you to comprehend this but try) a PC is just an appliance. It's just a TOOL. Most people don't want to wait for it to boot up, they don't care about the jargon and they aren't interested in technobabble.

I'll give you an example. You're sick and you go to the doctor. You don't care about the medico-babble of the diagnosis or the tests behind it - you only want to know - what it is, how serious it is and what the impact on you will be - do I need to stay off work, when can I exercise again etc. That's called patient centric medicine. The clinician tells you what you have or recommends additional tests if the diagnosis is not clear cut and tells you the dangers of each test in your own language. Doctors recognise that their patients aren't medical people and they won't use medical babble to explain things - they will do it simply in such a way the client understands. When the results come back the doc won't say "Your neutrophil count is 18" - he'll say "it looks like you have an infection going on here, in most likelihood it is... this is what you need to do because...."

The doctor consultation is not the end in itself. It should not be a crash course in medical mumbo jumbo. Hence afford others the same courtesy. A non IT person should not have to learn tons of technobble and need a degree in PC operating and maintenance to use the machine maintain the machine in everyday usage. Getting better is the end in itself - and the doctor consultation is the tool you use to get that done. Now I'm going off a bit here - off topic but I'm point out to you how IT guys like YOU (Penguin) ARE NOT CLIENT CENTRIC or END USER CENTRIC. The end user is king, he pays for the tool (computer and its software). To justify unpleasantness with 'its a complex machine' is a cheap cop out - it's just a way of saying 'we never though of that because u're supposed to do things our way." I'm sure you'd be happy if your doctor ordered a colonoscopy on you each time you had some indigestion without consulting you first.

Yeah I know these things are difficult to grasp for you.

I knew you cannot post anything Anti Microsoft without throwing in the Mac word. Such a hypocritical shameless case.

You need your ritalin.

 

[I am Penguin]

How does a microwave oven know I want to cook 2kg of pork? That info is inputted once the mw starts up. In the same way I double click a file in the PC and it starts up the associated program. I don't have an issue with that. I have an issue with sitting around while the PC is unusable for long periods of time.




No I said the OS is full of bloat. The application packages are often full of bloat too but that doesn't always slow the OS bootup process. YES Office is BLOATED but that's not the argument here. Don't get confused.



What I don't understand is if you can't argue things unrelated to other posts you just don't stay out of them. Me not liking MS has nothing to do with this discussion. You're a techie - IT no doubt - and for you the boot up process is a wonderful affair no doubt - it's the end in itself - for others like me who use their PCs to do work unrelated to the PC (I know it's hard for you to comprehend this but try) a PC is just an appliance. It's just a TOOL. Most people don't want to wait for it to boot up, they don't care about the jargon and they aren't interested in technobabble.




You need your ritalin.

Peter lets agree that you know very little if anything about hardware/ firmware/software and how they string together. You are trying to use the exact argument someone use earlier to show you how ridiculous your argument is. IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE! I gave you reasons and examples.
Go on the internet, read and learn.

 

[PeterCH]

Peter lets agree that you know very little if anything about hardware/ firmware/software and how they string together. You are trying to use the exact argument someone use earlier to show you how ridiculous your argument is. IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE! I gave you reasons and examples.
Go on the internet, read and learn.

It is possible. It would require a redesign though.

And to show you how WRONG You are you can see Intel and MS got together and are pushing that idea - they cut the boot up process to 11 sec.