Windows-powered MacBook Air rivals

neoprema said:
lol we have 8GB Macbooks running VM's for dev and 30+ chrome tabs open and they're not even nearly breaking a sweat.

i think you're mixing up other OSs with MacOS :)
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With a VM, your Macbooks with 8gb of ram is no better than a terminal with 2gb of ram. You probably just spend 20k for something you couldve done for 4k. And those VM? R1500 a month. Cloud is costly long term.

I used to spend R25k a month on a physical server just hosting SQL dbs. Now I am paying in excess of 200k a month for it on cloud, because my CEO and CIO said we will goto cloud or bust. Bust is closer honestly. But you know the best part? We pay for Platinum Level Cloud Support...and when you have a problem? No we cant help you, but we can send you a help guide to do it yourself.

Cloud isnt such a blessing. I know of many sys admins thats moved a lot of their business back onto onsite servers, especially for systems with lots of content, and large data sets moving around. We are busy now plotting to do the same. Its simply just too costly for large data driven system to sit in the cloud. Most of our AI robots, are on premise to do the client processing. Its cheaper.

And yet ironic we spend R50k a month on a robot, to replace a system we built using Visual Basic, that did it for free. All because Robots are cool. Yip the lazier programmers has become, the more it will cost.
 
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Sapphiron said:
From a hardware perspective, nearly all macs are unsupported the moment your warranty runs out. They are made to be unrepairable. They could be so much better, but Apple designs product for the landfill, so you always have to buy a new one.

and in the PC world is copying all the worst things from apple instead of the good things, like high quality screens and fast SSD's
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Would rather they don't copy SSD stuff:

Sure you get a performance benefit from having the controller on the board, but good luck replacing the drive if it fails. Also Apple is super nice and picking the base storage has a performance impact (unsure if it's for the new ones though, too lazy to keep up with news there). Most modern laptops in similar price classes have around the same performance, e.g. the Dell XPS 13 2022 had pretty much the same performance, and can replace it if need (including with a higher performance one).

Corelli said:
Most PCS does wake on demand, and depending on your drive speeds, it does it very quickly. Get a Samsung Pro NVME in one, and watch it beat the mac, because it will.

And battery life?

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Up to 18 hours 15 minutes (76 Wh) 28 W

Up to 19 hours (76 Wh) 15 W

Note:
Battery life varies depending on the product model, configuration (apps, features, power management settings, wireless functionality), and other factors. The maximum capacity of the battery naturally decreases with time and usage."

Thats an HP Elitebook.
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Wouldn't really compare an ARM processor on Windows with it yet, feature set is not comparable. In a few years, sure, not now.

Newer AMD stuff seems to have good battery life, looking forward to those laptops coming out.
Looks like it can compete with a Macbook in battery life (section before is energy management, M3 has a better idle minimum, but worse idle average, need to see laptops without the dedicated GPU).
 
Sapphiron said:
Mac's have fast SSD's that are masking some real deficiencies, that will show up not too long in the future.

I just know what happened to all the MacBook Air's and Windows PC's with 4GB of RAM at recyclers.

The macs are piled up on shelves waiting to be scrapped, and the PCs got ram upgrades and a second life.
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Just stop using Chrome.

That’s the real problem.
 
susefan said:
You also have to consider end of support date. Get M1 MacBook air now and in two years istore staff tell you it's a legacy product, they cannot offer you any support.
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What complete kak.

They still supports the Intels even now.
 
The M1 was faster than the M2 which was throttled due to heat problems. They have fixed the issues with the M3. Its a well known issue.
 
Sapphiron said:
From a hardware perspective, nearly all macs are unsupported the moment your warranty runs out. They are made to be unrepairable.
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I had my 2020 M1 Air's screen replaced after I broke it last month so I'm thinking that's just a little bit of nonsense.
 
SauRoNZA said:
What complete kak.

They still supports the Intels even now.
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But when I was selling the iMac I had , everyone spoke about support ending and how it’s Intel and that’s why I’m getting such a low trade?

That’s why it depreciated so heavily, I understand
 
Dolby said:
But when I was selling the iMac I had , everyone spoke about support ending and how it’s Intel and that’s why I’m getting such a low trade?

That’s why it depreciated so heavily, I understand
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It will end in the near future but it hasn’t quite yet.
 
bwana said:
I had my 2020 M1 Air's screen replaced after I broke it last month so I'm thinking that's just a little bit of nonsense.
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Do the MacBooks have the same issue as iPhones where a spare part needs to be matched to the original hardware to maintain margins? Or can you use any part?
 
Dolby said:
Do the MacBooks have the same issue as iPhones where a spare part needs to be matched to the original hardware to maintain margins? Or can you use any part?
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Also, what did the repair cost. Was just the glass replaced, or do you need to buy and entire top assembly with the screen, webcam and microphones as well?
 
Corelli said:
With a VM, your Macbooks with 8gb of ram is no better than a terminal with 2gb of ram. You probably just spend 20k for something you couldve done for 4k. And those VM? R1500 a month. Cloud is costly long term.

I used to spend R25k a month on a physical server just hosting SQL dbs. Now I am paying in excess of 200k a month for it on cloud, because my CEO and CIO said we will goto cloud or bust. Bust is closer honestly. But you know the best part? We pay for Platinum Level Cloud Support...and when you have a problem? No we cant help you, but we can send you a help guide to do it yourself.

Cloud isnt such a blessing. I know of many sys admins thats moved a lot of their business back onto onsite servers, especially for systems with lots of content, and large data sets moving around. We are busy now plotting to do the same. Its simply just too costly for large data driven system to sit in the cloud. Most of our AI robots, are on premise to do the client processing. Its cheaper.

And yet ironic we spend R50k a month on a robot, to replace a system we built using Visual Basic, that did it for free. All because Robots are cool. Yip the lazier programmers has become, the more it will cost.
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Going cloud hosting only, only works out if you also rework your entire software stack to make use of the commoditized services of an AWS or Azure.

If you using it to host VMs, you end up will the costs your explained.

I take it management did not approve the full redevelopment of the entire software stack and just wanted to be able to say they are 100% Cloud for bragging rights?
 
Corelli said:
And yes I do like Macs. I got a brand new Apple 2E when I was 6 years old. Shipped from the states. I've had Powermacs etc. And I work with both Mac and PC. But for value for money PC will come first (unless you were into Adobe work, or lately Music editing etc). Most of the world is on Windows or on some form of it. And Windows products are easier to chop and change and maintain.

These days, you can simply create a Virtual Machine that runs Windows 11, Windows Server, Linux, Ubuntu or Mac OS. You can run this from the cheapest junkest machine that will effectively just be a terminal unit.

The sad reality though it schoolkids/students who tell parents who are already cash strapped, that they need to spend R30k on a Mac, to be able to take notes at school/University. (Not my kids), but had that when I was still selling Pcs and Laptops for both private and corporate companies. To take notes? You can spend R4k on a laptop, will do the same. Save your parents a fortune.
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As I suspected. Check book kid. Should have known. Explains a whole lot of your other unhinged posts.
 
Non of them is an Air replacement. They all have fans...
Dolby said:
But when I was selling the iMac I had , everyone spoke about support ending and how it’s Intel and that’s why I’m getting such a low trade?

That’s why it depreciated so heavily, I understand
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45% depreciation on a 5 year old laptop is not heavy at all. No Windows laptop will get that.
 
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