Windows XP - same performance on same specs as WinME

[RoosTa]

My dad never used a car when he was young and there was no such thing as TV back then either. So he used to ride his bicycle everywhere; school and back, to his friends house and even to the shop and back. In the winter he used to flick the icicles off his fingers when he arrived at school in the morning. On some days riding back from school, he'd even beat his friend home whom was picked up by his parents in those 'fancy' cars. Even a Datsun bakkie was 'fancy' back then.

It was tough but, he says those were the good'ol days.

Edit: Oops, I'm sorry. I thought this was one of those "It will never be like it used to" thread. Ah but I see PeterCH has a new chip on his shoulder. I bet that next week he'll be comparing Win 3.1 with Win 7!

 

[killadoob]

Yea i wonder why DOS hardware cannot run winxp if its so amazing . Why do we need windows xp? We could game and do our work on DOS

 

[BigAl-sa]

Windows XP Performance
Published: June 01, 2001 | Updated: August 09, 2001

Bit dated don't you think?

64 MB of RAM will provide you with a user experience equivalent or superior to that of Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me) running on the same hardware.

As far as I'm concerned, Windows 3.1 was a better experience than ME.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

Peter, peter, peter .....

Your argument is doff to say the least ... why must I buy a new car over one that is only 4-5yrs old, they both run the same, take the same petrol, use the same tyres, have same old stearing wheel, and both do 120km/h. So whats the point ????

Its the technological progress, just face it, it is / has happened. Just get with it.... stop the b#$%ing and keep playing with your XP, Me, 95 or 98 and / or linux/ubuntu ... whatever. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying buy this new operating system or else!!!!

You just need to realise that MS is a business, and they are there to make money (duhhh) like anyone else. And they will stop doing updates for old OS's eventually you will have to convert.... thats life - deal with it. Stop criticizing those who do run vista and or win7 and are happy .... we have good enough systems to do it ... so yippee...

 

[PeterCH]

Bit dated don't you think?

No -- that's just it. It's comparison of XP vs ME and XP is actually same or faster. When Vista came out, could you say the same thing?

The date is significant because many people suggest that upgrading an OS should require tons of extra RAM.

My PII 350 PC was purchased in 1998 and came with 64MB of RAM
(SDR 100MHz). XP released towards the end of 2001, ie 3 years later
offered the same level of performance on that amount of RAM
as WinME did. Vista came out in 2006, do you think Vista can run
on a mainstream machine from 2003 - just as well?

 

[killadoob]

Peter you fail to understand how technologically advanced we have become from 10 years ago bud. This is where your argument is falling flat on its face.

You need to face the fact that we have some amazing technology that is dirt cheap compared to 10 years ago.

Your stuck back 2001 for some reason and fail to understand we are moving into 2010.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

No -- that's just it. It's comparison of XP vs ME and XP is actually same or faster. When Vista came out, could you say the same thing?

The date is significant because many people suggest that upgrading an OS should require tons of extra RAM.

My PII 350 PC was purchased in 1998 and came with 64MB of RAM
(SDR 100MHz). XP released towards the end of 2001, ie 3 years later
offered the same level of performance on that amount of RAM
as WinME did. Vista came out in 2006, do you think Vista can run
on a mainstream machine from 2003 - just as well?

Take any of those old systems, run them everyday with our lovely hackers / virus / spyware etc ... then try and protect them ... what a laugh. Thats why operating system get more "bloated" they have to handle more krapp !!

 

[d0b33]

Why do you have to miss the point each time?

Windows XP ran on the same hardware, at least as fast as, Windows ME (previous version of the OS). Vista cannot say that it runs as fast on the previous hardware that XP ran on - you need lotsa RAM - and you're only able to get away with this because the RAM is cheap.

Well to be fair... the gap between ME and XP was a few months, the gap between Vista and XP was a few years so hardware changed a lot in that time, so a fair comparison would be XP vs 3.1 or 95/98 not ME.

 

[PeterCH]

Peter, peter, peter .....

Your argument is doff to say the least ... why must I buy a new car over one that is only 4-5yrs old, they both run the same, take the same petrol, use the same tyres, have same old stearing wheel, and both do 120km/h. So whats the point ????

Except a 4 yo car burns more gas. Newer engines are more fuel efficient and you pay less on maintenance. A PC does not break down after 4 years - unless you're unlucky or treat it badly (overclock too much, have too much dust, use really bad capacitors in the MB, fail to replace fans, etc).
The PC runs just as well after 4-5 years. A car does not.

Its the technological progress, just face it, it is / has happened. Just get with it.... stop the b#$%ing and keep playing with your XP, Me, 95 or 98 and / or linux/ubuntu ... whatever. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying buy this new operating system or else!!!!

I can agree if the technical process results in improvements. If I don't see improvements it's not progress.

You just need to realise that MS is a business, and they are there to make money (duhhh) like anyone else.

I know that. You NEED to realise that what is best for MS is not always best for the customer. Why upgrade when it's not necessary?

And they will stop doing updates for old OS's eventually you will have to convert.... thats life - deal with it.

A system which is LOCKED DOWN or not connected to the Internet will never need to be updated. Do you understand that?

Stop criticizing those who do run vista and or win7 and are happy .... we have good enough systems to do it ... so yippee...

Stop misunderstanding me. LOL. I never criticised anyone, I'm saying that XP ran at least as well on WinME h/w while we can't say the same thing for Vista. That's what I'm saying. Get with it.

 

[PeterCH]

Well to be fair... the gap between ME and XP was a few months, the gap between Vista and XP was a few years so hardware changed a lot in that time, so a fair comparison would be XP vs 95/98 not ME.

But Aqua, what improvements does Vista offer over XP that translate in improved productivity?

WinME - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.
WinXP - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.
WinVista - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.

With the exception of GAMES - ie DirectX10, there are no real productivity
improvements.

Oh btw - 64MB of RAM was standard from 1998. XP came out in 2001.

 

[PeterCH]

Take any of those old systems, run them everyday with our lovely hackers / virus / spyware etc ... then try and protect them ... what a laugh. Thats why operating system get more "bloated" they have to handle more krapp !!

I think you'll find that most of that bloat is not from that sort of protection.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

Except a 4 yo car burns more gas. Newer engines are more fuel efficient and you pay less on maintenance. A PC does not break down after 4 years - unless you're unlucky or treat it badly (overclock too much, have too much dust, use really bad capacitors in the MB, fail to replace fans, etc).
The PC runs just as well after 4-5 years. A car does not. my car is 11yrs old, still runs lighter than most "new models" paint is all good, interior is all good, runs unleaded like any other new car and as for maintenance, you pay for it dude - in your purchase price my car brand new was R70K, now its equivalent about R200K!!! .... so your argument = FAIL


I know that. You NEED to realise that what is best for MS is not always best for the customer (show me a company that does). Why upgrade when it's not necessary?


A system which is LOCKED DOWN or not connected to the Internet will never need to be updated. Do you understand that? it will also become irrelevant


some of us like new, and chucking R200 1gig ram module is not a "Big" deal !! Cause I run Vista32 Ultimate on an AMD 3000 which is probably 5yrs old now (wifes pc) and it runs mutch better now than XP - which she managed to break 6 times in one year and has now run 2 years on one install of vista. Thats worth thousands to me in my opinion!!!!!!!

 

[PeterCH]

My dad never used a car when he was young and there was no such thing as TV back then either. So he used to ride his bicycle everywhere; school and back, to his friends house and even to the shop and back. In the winter he used to flick the icicles off his fingers when he arrived at school in the morning. On some days riding back from school, he'd even beat his friend home whom was picked up by his parents in those 'fancy' cars. Even a Datsun bakkie was 'fancy' back then.

It was tough but, he says those were the good'ol days.

It would be except that unlike your dad, computing in 1998 was pretty similar to what it is now, with the exception of high def video and broadband.
Most people in SA don't use these two things.

Edit: Oops, I'm sorry. I thought this was one of those "It will never be like it used to" thread. Ah but I see PeterCH has a new chip on his shoulder. I bet that next week he'll be comparing Win 3.1 with Win 7!

Sorry to disappoint you but it isn't. It's about making an observation about the additional bloat Vista offers over XP.

 

[BigAl-sa]

A system which is LOCKED DOWN or not connected to the Internet will never need to be updated. Do you understand that?

If anything breaks on your locked down machine from 2001, you throw it away. NO current technology will work on it.

Find an AGP graphics card (that is if your m/b had AGP)?
Find a 15" monitor that your graphics card can drive?
Find a 40GB IDE hard drive?

Do YOU understand that?

 

[PeterCH]

Except a 4 yo car burns more gas. Newer engines are more fuel efficient and you pay less on maintenance. A PC does not break down after 4 years - unless you're unlucky or treat it badly (overclock too much, have too much dust, use really bad capacitors in the MB, fail to replace fans, etc).
The PC runs just as well after 4-5 years. A car does not. my car is 11yrs old, still runs lighter than most "new models" paint is all good, interior is all good, runs unleaded like any other new car and as for maintenance, you pay for it dude - in your purchase price my car brand new was R70K, now its equivalent about R200K!!! .... so your argument = FAIL

Your argument is incorrect. Engines always get more fuel efficient and with wear and tear the same engine gets less fuel efficient over the years. You need to speak to an engineer but any engineer or a good mechanic will confirm this. BTW we're going off topic.

I know that. You NEED to realise that what is best for MS is not always best for the customer (show me a company that does). Why upgrade when it's not necessary?

We're not talking about what's best for MS. I made an observation. Besides you must either work for or have shares in MS. You love them for some reason. This is not about MS, this is about Vista and XP and ME.

A system which is LOCKED DOWN or not connected to the Internet will never need to be updated. Do you understand that? it will also become irrelevant

A tool is only as good as the artisan who uses it.

some of us like new, and chucking R200 1gig ram module is not a "Big" deal !! Cause I run Vista32 Ultimate on an AMD 3000 which is probably 5yrs old now (wifes pc) and it runs mutch better now that XP - which she managed to break 6 times in one year and has now run 3 years on one install of vista. Thats worth thousands to me in my opinion!!!!!!!

Did you read the part where I specifically mentioned ENTHUSIASTS?
You did not, so read what I said again and next time read before flaming people over perceived insults which are not there and embarrassing yourself.

 

[PeterCH]

If anything breaks on your locked down machine from 2001, you throw it away. NO current technology will work on it.

Find an AGP graphics card (that is if your m/b had AGP)?
Find a 15" monitor that your graphics card can drive?
Find a 40GB IDE hard drive?

Do YOU understand that?

Funny thing I've never had hardware break down this way, oh except for a HDD crash - once.

But yeah, you can buy an AGP card still.
In 1998 video cards had 8MB of RAM as the minimum - that's enough for a 19 inch monitor.
You can buy a 250GB IDE HDD. LOL.

However, sure if the system doesn't work, you can replace the whole system - it may be worth less effort and time to do that. This is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[d0b33]

But Aqua, what improvements does Vista offer over XP that translate in improved productivity?

WinME - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.
WinXP - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.
WinVista - run browser, run email program, run Office Suite, run games.

With the exception of GAMES - ie DirectX10, there are no real productivity
improvements.

I see your point but just pointing out that it's not really a fair comparison, but I'm glad Microsoft released Vista... or I would never have switched to Linux.

 

[PeterCH]

I see your point but just pointing out that it's not really a fair comparison, but I'm glad Microsoft released Vista... or I would never have switched to Linux.

I updated my reply:

Remember in 1998, 64MB of RAM was pretty standard. XP came out in 2001.

 

[killadoob]

Fair comparison it is not by a mile, peter the more you go on about this i feel the more silly your looking, you have in the past held an argument well and put in my place many a time but i amazed at what i am reading in all honesty, maybe your tik craving got the better of you today . Your comparing a 2001 OS with expensive memory which was 10-15 rand a meg to today's memory which is dirt cheap. I cannot fathom how your thinking today .

 

[PeterCH]

Fair comparison it is not by a mile, peter the more you go on this i feel the more silly your looking, you have in the past held an argument well and put in my place many a time but i amazed at what i am reading in all honesty, maybe your tik craving got the better of you today .

I'll take that personal attack, masked by a smiley, as you throwing in the towel.