Winnie bashes 'illiterate' Equality Court

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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Winnie-bashes-illiterate-Equality-Court-20110418

Johannesburg - The court in which ANC Youth League president Julius Malema is facing a hate speech trial is "illiterate", ANC MP Winnie Madikizela-Mandela told supporters on Monday.

"[ANC Secretary general Gwede Mantashe] is here to educate this illiterate court," Madikizela-Mandela said after thanking supporters for braving the cold, outside the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg.

She said Malema was there not just as youth league leader, but as the ANC's representative.

Malema thanked the crowd and said he could not speak about what was said in court as it was "used inside".


He urged the crowd to remain disciplined "so we don't give enemies anything to talk about". Unlike last week, on Monday his supporters were unruly outside the court.


Malema's bodyguards, some carrying guns, pushed the crowd back as they tried to get a glimpse of him, and shoved aside photographers, cameramen and journalists.

Country's heritage


Several ANC bigwigs were also at the court to help defend the ANCYL leader.

Party secretary general Gwede Mantashe, Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane, poet and struggle veteran Mongane Wally Serote, and Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom sat through proceedings, which entered their second week.


Mantashe echoed Malema's words, saying evidence still needed to be given under oath and witnesses were being cross-examined. He said the trial was not just about Malema, but about the ANC's and the country's heritage.

"All these songs played a role in the struggle," Mantashe said.

Still paying the price


Hanekom left the stand on Monday, to give way to Serote. He said people were still paying the price for apartheid today.

"Alexandra as it stands is a direct legacy of apartheid." He added many struggle songs were composed at training during the armed struggle, and based on events in the country at the time.

"It is African culture to sing," Serote said, adding that Bantu education "de-educated" people.

"We came together, understood something and sang together... you won't find a composer... you are guided by everybody."
Serote agreed with the view expressed by Hanekom last week, that a "national dialogue" on the matter was needed.

Hanekom said the song "was not a call to violence, but a reference to a period or a system where people took up arms".

Serote said he believed the song was not linked to any farm killings.

Under cross-examination by Afriforum lawyer Martin Brassey, Serote said Malema was an ANC cadre who would abide by ANC policies because he had no choice.

Needs to be preserved

Serote told lawyer for farmers' organisation Tau-SA, Roelof du Plessis, in his second cross-examination, that like the Voortrekker Monument, certain things, such as the song, needed to be preserved.

Du Plessis asked Serote why the ANC did not make any attempt to speak to people offended by the song.

"Why has it taken a high-profile court case to bring the ANC to say there must be dialogue?"

Serote said the ANC had done what it could.

The trial continues on Tuesday.
 
Ha Ha, I think the dumb one was trying to say "illegitimate" .

Another case of "soort soek soort".
 
She said Malema was there not just as youth league leader, but as the ANC's representative.

LOL!

What we have been saying all along, but still the ANC supporters said malema represent the YL and not the ANC.
 
There is a certain word used to describe black people that begins with a K - should the Afrikaners retain the right to use it since it reminds them of their heritage?

Oh wait, its okay to encourage murder as long as you are the ruling party. Then you are doing it for the struggle.

It speaks volumes that its not just Malema on trial here, pretty much the entire ANC turned out to defend him.
 
It speaks volumes that its not just Malema on trial here, pretty much the entire ANC turned out to defend him.

True, some big guns that they pulled out for this case. Seems they were worried Juju would not make it on his own :)

When watching news footage of them entering and exiting court, I feel like slapping those smug smiles of their faces.
 
Winnie is one to speak. This has been said many times but if 'killing the boer' is heritage, then calling blacks the K-word also qualifies under the heritage umbrella. Same rules .. yet anyone with some capacity for logic thought knows that some things should be remembered, but not forever practiced.

Strange that the Afrikaner have moved on from British oppression, also that we've moved on from apartheid, but why can the ANC not move on from the struggle? My feeling is it's stuck in revolutionary mode 'cos revolt & rioting's the only thing they are really good at. They probably need a common enemy 'cos internally theres just nothing to bind them together.

Like someone said .. the ANC really, really, REALLY wants to be able to sing that boers should be killed. Why?
 
Winnie is one to speak. This has been said many times but if 'killing the boer' is heritage, then calling blacks the K-word also qualifies under the heritage umbrella. Same rules .. yet anyone with some capacity for logic thought knows that some things should be remembered, but not forever practiced.

Strange that the Afrikaner have moved on from British oppression, also that we've moved on from apartheid, but why can the ANC not move on from the struggle? My feeling is it's stuck in revolutionary mode 'cos revolt & rioting's the only thing they are really good at. They probably need a common enemy 'cos internally theres just nothing to bind them together.

Like someone said .. the ANC really, really, REALLY wants to be able to sing that boers should be killed. Why?

You're quite right. A lot of authors have agreed that worldwide, it is incredibly difficult for a liberation organisation to move into governing mode.
 
You're quite right. A lot of authors have agreed that worldwide, it is incredibly difficult for a liberation organisation to move into governing mode.

That's because there was no liberation, think about it. The ANC was funded by among others the Cuban leader Fidel Castro to remove the west (America and it's allies) from Africa, they trained for war, but when power was handed back to the people to vote who they wanted as their government, the change left the ANC with no war to fight.

So what happened, the IFP vs ANC violence we witnessed in the early 90's was testament to their need for war, ultimately that's what drives the hatred endorsed by the ANC leadership, which we see in Mal-enema, the ANC's mouthpiece. I suspect they get smirks from the other African leaders at AU meetings, it must piss them off no end that they never got to 'overthrow' the white government like Angola, Mozambique, Ivory Coast ect. I'm sure it makes them feel like little boys in a room full of adults. The perception being instead of taking power, they (the ANC) were handed power by their white masters.
 
And what does Winnie mean when she sings "Kill the Stompie"? is that also just figurative?
 
That's because there was no liberation, think about it. The ANC was funded by among others the Cuban leader Fidel Castro to remove the west (America and it's allies) from Africa, they trained for war, but when power was handed back to the people to vote who they wanted as their government, the change left the ANC with no war to fight.

So what happened, the IFP vs ANC violence we witnessed in the early 90's was testament to their need for war, ultimately that's what drives the hatred endorsed by the ANC leadership, which we see in Mal-enema, the ANC's mouthpiece. I suspect they get smirks from the other African leaders at AU meetings, it must piss them off no end that they never got to 'overthrow' the white government like Angola, Mozambique, Ivory Coast ect. I'm sure it makes them feel like little boys in a room full of adults. The perception being instead of taking power, they (the ANC) were handed power by their white masters.

Trained for war? Really?

Trained to be terrorists. They tried to bring Cubans in to do the war stuff and that didn't go according to the 'plan'.
 
So what happened, the IFP vs ANC violence we witnessed in the early 90's was testament to their need for war, ultimately that's what drives the hatred endorsed by the ANC leadership, which we see in Mal-enema, the ANC's mouthpiece. I suspect they get smirks from the other African leaders at AU meetings, it must piss them off no end that they never got to 'overthrow' the white government like Angola, Mozambique, Ivory Coast ect. I'm sure it makes them feel like little boys in a room full of adults. The perception being instead of taking power, they (the ANC) were handed power by their white masters.
You're talking tripe:mad:. The IFP/ANC violence was started by the state.
 
It is extremely important for the ANC that the youth be polarised by Malema. This will ensure that they keep on voting along race lines. The ANC knows that they do not have the track record to ensure that their supporters keep on voting for them, so the only way to keep the vote is to polarise them against whites.
 
Jirre Winnie Mandela...talk about the Teflon Mother of the Nation. This dragon could murder someone in broad daylight, at a rally on international TV and still get away with it.
 
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