Zewp
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Are we still hitting the openweb allegedly reselling accounts BS, despite any evidence to the claim?
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Are we still hitting the openweb allegedly reselling accounts BS, despite any evidence to the claim?
What? I'm not sure why you got worked up so quickly? IS confirmed in a email to me that Openweb accounts ending with @mynetwork means they sell bandwidth and controls shaping. The @openweb.co.za usernames are home or business IS accounts sold by Openweb.
I posted it months back in the Openweb thread so not sure why you got worked up for.
It is what it is. The @openweb accounts are the best account to have compared to the @mynetwork account. What you pay for the @openweb or @mynetwork account and whether its well priced or not is not for me to decide. I just mentioned what was emailed to me and what I have experienced when I used Openweb back in the day when MR Beep was still on the forum.
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Aquadyne
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It's common knowledge that Zewp in all probability "might be" an Openweb Shill. Let all prior postings bear witness.
If it walks like a duck...
If it walks like a duck...
Pretty much.
Nighttime = Usenet Downloads
Daytime = Steam Downloads
My PC is probably only off for a few hours every year (I'm guessing 50-100 hours?)
I'm any ISP's nightmare... but I haven't heard any complaints from OpenWeb staff nor do I expect to.
Zewp
Banned
You did? The only thing I recall was someone posting an email from IS saying OpenWeb buys capacity, not accounts and then a bunch of people putting on their tinfoil hats and saying IS is in on the conspiracy.
I'm not worked up about it, btw, just concerned that we're still slagging off openweb for something that (to my knowledge) was never confirmed. If it was confirmed after that, then my bad.
Yes, you've got me. Openweb pays me to come post in their defence.
Let all prior postings bear witness indeed. Just don't go too far back otherwise the prior postings might bear witness to stuff that doesn't fit Aquadyne's retarded conspiracy theories. I'll buy you a new roll of tinfoil, Aqua.
This is especially ironic because multiple people on these forums also know me personally and can attest to the fact that I don't work for OpenWeb. But hey, some nutcase who only hangs around the ISP forums says I'm a shill, so it must be true. After all, in this fight there's not middle ground. You're either completely against OW, or working for them.
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Aquadyne
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Zewp, you've had this argument with others before. It gets protracted, the outcome always the same.
You keep defending to the bitter end. It's not down to a technicality of if you're being paid or doing it voluntarily. The resultant behaviour is the same.
Keep going, I won't be the last to mention this.
You keep defending to the bitter end. It's not down to a technicality of if you're being paid or doing it voluntarily. The resultant behaviour is the same.
Keep going, I won't be the last to mention this.
Zewp
Banned
Yes, I've had this argument countless times because that's what the mob does. Either you're against Openweb, or you're a shill.
"Is that fact or rumour?" YOU"RE A SHILL
"My OW account performs fine." YOU'RE A SHILL
"I'm not a shill." YOU'RE A SHILL
"But I-" YOU'RE A SHILL
"Bu-" SHILL!!!!
"FU" SEE YOU'RE A SHILL
Maybe you need to pull your head out of your arse and realise that there probably aren't any shills on OW. OW has already shown they don't give a crap about MyBB, so why would they post shills here? Just because people are not jumping on the bandwagon does not mean they're shills.
You also need to realise that just calling people defenders or shills does not make it so. "Prior posts bear witness." LOL!!! Prior posts like the saga in 2012 where I spent so much time complaining on MyBB about the poor performance of my OW product that OW eventually gave me a working account and sent me an OW branded tablet in an attempt to shut me up? Or maybe that time where I confirmed in the OW thread (with pics as proof) that someone else is sharing my account with me?
I'm not jumping on your bandwagon with you, so I'm a shill indeed. :erm: Aquadyne, you're just another sad example of a person cherry picking posts to draw whatever conclusions they want. "Prior posts bear witness", except those posts that do not bear witness, but let's just ignore them instead.
Argumentum ad populum- ever heard of it?
"Is that fact or rumour?" YOU"RE A SHILL
"My OW account performs fine." YOU'RE A SHILL
"I'm not a shill." YOU'RE A SHILL
"But I-" YOU'RE A SHILL
"Bu-" SHILL!!!!
"FU" SEE YOU'RE A SHILL
Maybe you need to pull your head out of your arse and realise that there probably aren't any shills on OW. OW has already shown they don't give a crap about MyBB, so why would they post shills here? Just because people are not jumping on the bandwagon does not mean they're shills.
You also need to realise that just calling people defenders or shills does not make it so. "Prior posts bear witness." LOL!!! Prior posts like the saga in 2012 where I spent so much time complaining on MyBB about the poor performance of my OW product that OW eventually gave me a working account and sent me an OW branded tablet in an attempt to shut me up? Or maybe that time where I confirmed in the OW thread (with pics as proof) that someone else is sharing my account with me?
I'm not jumping on your bandwagon with you, so I'm a shill indeed. :erm: Aquadyne, you're just another sad example of a person cherry picking posts to draw whatever conclusions they want. "Prior posts bear witness", except those posts that do not bear witness, but let's just ignore them instead.
Argumentum ad populum- ever heard of it?
Aquadyne
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Life of Brian... Right there. Hehe.
Let's forget about 2012, its long ago and has no relevance. So maybe the word Shill is not technically correct in this case and you have strong feelings about it... Of late, and that means for a few months.. you do seem to jump in on postings to defend OW against accusations. I'm not even sure you are a client of theirs anymore or if you've just taken on that role for some obscure reason.
Your last posting was just a recent example of this when I chimed in. You leapt in guns blazing and the poster was a bit taken aback by your response. I attempted to put things in perspective for him. Not very elegantly, I concede.
Why do you defend them do vehemently if you're not a client, is it a point of principle? Do you sincerely not believe that they are doing some of the things they are accused of? Even if it doesn't affect everyone? I don't have a beef with you, it's with OW. You feel the need to jump in and take bullets for them, so be it. Need another reward? Joking...
Zewp
Banned
Such as that one time in June when I defended them by posting proof of my account being shared?
By saying that it is common knowledge that I might be a shill.. I'm sure that put everything in perspective.
Let me ask you a question. Are you a /special/ person? No? Then why do you continue insisting that I 'vehemently' defend OpenWeb, when all I asked in this, and the previous incidents you are referring to, whether we have confirmation of rumors and inferences that some users here are bandying about as facts.
I've posted evidence supporting the accusation of account sharing myself. "Vehement" defender my ass. You've now even gone so far as to convince yourself that I'm not even a client. A 'fact' you just made up on the spot with no evidence to support it. Wow.
Tinfoil goes on your bread, not your head. Spare me your conspiracy theories.
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Zewp
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Necuno, I am your father. 
And also Keoma. And Cableguy. And Dr Evil. And Hitler. And Mugabe. And the DEVIL.
Aquadyne, there you have it. My confession.
And also Keoma. And Cableguy. And Dr Evil. And Hitler. And Mugabe. And the DEVIL.
Aquadyne, there you have it. My confession.
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Necuno, I am your father.
And also Keoma. And Cableguy. And Dr Evil. And Hitler. And Mugabe. And the DEVIL.
Aquadyne, there you have it. My confession.
// runs for the safe hills
Aquadyne
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OK Zewp, I have taken the time to refresh my memory and questioned my recollection of prior postings.
I must apologise for calling you a Shill as you have previously taken issue with Openweb. Also, I hastily misread your one recent comment in the WA thread to mean you are with them. Openweb is a **** Stain of an ISP?
But you certainly do come across as an apologist, a denialist at the very least.
I understand that you are getting great value for money with them and it suits your budget on your 1M account getting close to 2M speeds. You don't seem to have many problems and that's cool.
But you do defend them, or at the very least question their attackers quite often. You don't need to justify your choice.
I get your sentiments about the mob mentality too.
You have repeatedly stated that you want 100% proof of any of the allegations against them before you will accept it and stop confronting their accusers.
100% proof, got it... But only when it comes to your ISP of choice it seems.
There, I apologised. We good?
I must apologise for calling you a Shill as you have previously taken issue with Openweb. Also, I hastily misread your one recent comment in the WA thread to mean you are with them. Openweb is a **** Stain of an ISP?
But you certainly do come across as an apologist, a denialist at the very least.
I understand that you are getting great value for money with them and it suits your budget on your 1M account getting close to 2M speeds. You don't seem to have many problems and that's cool.
But you do defend them, or at the very least question their attackers quite often. You don't need to justify your choice.
I get your sentiments about the mob mentality too.
You have repeatedly stated that you want 100% proof of any of the allegations against them before you will accept it and stop confronting their accusers.
100% proof, got it... But only when it comes to your ISP of choice it seems.
There, I apologised. We good?
Geez what did I start by saying something about Openweb. I peak in general when I say this and I'm not pointing fingers at any particular person but when it comes to Mybb it seems that if a person likes or have had a good service from a provider and some one else slams or attack that service provider the person that had a good experience makes it his duty to defend that service provider.
I wonder why that is. Very good example would be MTN and Vodacom vs Cellc. MTN and Vodacom will launch something cool or will get a good comment and people that dislike them would make remarks like its a trap and they steal money only ect ect yet when their service provider gets attacked about say poor 3G speeds that same person would come to the defence and say yes but they made prices lower and started a price war which the consumers benefit from.
People here should just respect other people opinions. @ Zewp if Aquadyne don't like Openweb or say they steal money say what you think of the matter without discrediting hme. @Aquadyne if Zewp likes Openweb let him be. Say what you think without discrediting him.
That's it people and I'm out unless we going for Round 2 then I'm back in
I wonder why that is. Very good example would be MTN and Vodacom vs Cellc. MTN and Vodacom will launch something cool or will get a good comment and people that dislike them would make remarks like its a trap and they steal money only ect ect yet when their service provider gets attacked about say poor 3G speeds that same person would come to the defence and say yes but they made prices lower and started a price war which the consumers benefit from.
People here should just respect other people opinions. @ Zewp if Aquadyne don't like Openweb or say they steal money say what you think of the matter without discrediting hme. @Aquadyne if Zewp likes Openweb let him be. Say what you think without discrediting him.
That's it people and I'm out unless we going for Round 2 then I'm back in
Zewp
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This is your problem, you blundering buffoon. The moment anyone says anything or questions anything, they're labelled an OW defender or an OW fan. That's what pisses me off. I only asked if there was any evidence for OpenWeb buying both capacity and accounts, because it is being bandied about as fact without any evidence. You know that thing where if a rumour is repeated enough it becomes 'fact'? Yeah...
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter if OpenWeb buys capacity or capacity and accounts only.They're still sharing accounts and lying to their customers. It's just kinda important that we don't start including fibs and fables in the mix as well. If you've got evidence that they're reselling IS accounts, by all means, I'd like to see it. I haven't seen a shred of evidence to support this claim yet.
On other parts of the forum we'd get ripped apart for making claims without evidence, yet here it seems to be par for the course?
Basjohn
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How you can reply to a level-headed comment defending your right to an opposing opinion with blatant unnecessary insults right off the bat......
Zewp
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Because this didn't start out as people having opposing opinions. This started as me questioning the validity of a certain claim and I was immediately labeled an OW defender and shill. Kinda hard not to respond in kind when your posts are being misrepresented like that, isn't it?
Basjohn
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If you're trying to get someone to understand your point of view or feelings, generally insulting them doesn't go a long way to achieving that goal, no matter how irritated you may be.
Zewp
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And if you want to engage someone on their point of view, it is generally not good practice to read into their posts something that isn't there or call them shills.
Are you aware of how many "shills" we've had since the Openweb thread blew up end-may/early June? You kind of just get tired of the BS after a while.
Are you aware of how many "shills" we've had since the Openweb thread blew up end-may/early June? You kind of just get tired of the BS after a while.
Tinuva
The Magician
I think Zewp is a housewife with nothing better to do. How else can anyone spew out so many posts every day?
Back on topic.
@Sokum you are definitelly better off with any other isp other than Openweb. With Openweb you just don't know what kind of account you will get, not to mention the high chance of it getting shared by another user, so your star rating falls faster than gravity itself. Worse, Openweb will refuse to admit what type off account you have, that it is shared with other users, or that they are also actually bound to IS's star rating system on the uncapped accounts.
The only account you can semi-trust from Openweb, is their capped accounts which you can monitor usage on without asking for it.
Back on topic.
@Sokum you are definitelly better off with any other isp other than Openweb. With Openweb you just don't know what kind of account you will get, not to mention the high chance of it getting shared by another user, so your star rating falls faster than gravity itself. Worse, Openweb will refuse to admit what type off account you have, that it is shared with other users, or that they are also actually bound to IS's star rating system on the uncapped accounts.
The only account you can semi-trust from Openweb, is their capped accounts which you can monitor usage on without asking for it.