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A fed-up crime victim plans to sue Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula for a "significant amount" in the Pretoria High Court in March.

"I’ve had enough. I’m a little bull terrier. I’m there to say that the government must do something," Byron Gerber said today.

Gerber said he spent three months in intensive care in Wilgeheuwel Hospital after being shot twice in the arm, right lung, kidney and liver by robbers in a Johannesburg security complex in 2005. His hospital bills amounted to R1.6 million.

Gerber said the police were denying South Africans their constitutional right to safety and security and freedom from "all forms of violence".

"Many citizens including myself are being denied this right by being imprisoned in our own homes or on the streets due to criminal elements targeting innocent people in the most violent crime waves," he said.

A lot of people wrote petitions, "jump up and down", but do nothing about it, he said.

Gerber was critical of the police bungling in his case. Although the police took pictures of the crime scene at his home, his friends eventually found the bullet with which he was shot and took it to the Muldersdrift police. They lost it.

The inspector tasked with handling his case was sick and died during the investigation. It was never continued.

He said "nothing was done" after several calls were made on his cellphone which the robbers stole from him, using another sim card. A court date would be set down early in March.

Spokesman for the Ministry of Safety and Security Trevor Bloem said he was not aware of the case. "You do have these cases from time to time."

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=712405
 
blunomore said:
A fed-up crime victim plans to sue Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula for a "significant amount" in the Pretoria High Court in March.

"I’ve had enough. I’m a little bull terrier. I’m there to say that the government must do something," Byron Gerber said today.

Gerber said he spent three months in intensive care in Wilgeheuwel Hospital after being shot twice in the arm, right lung, kidney and liver by robbers in a Johannesburg security complex in 2005. His hospital bills amounted to R1.6 million.

Gerber said the police were denying South Africans their constitutional right to safety and security and freedom from "all forms of violence".

"Many citizens including myself are being denied this right by being imprisoned in our own homes or on the streets due to criminal elements targeting innocent people in the most violent crime waves," he said.

A lot of people wrote petitions, "jump up and down", but do nothing about it, he said.

Gerber was critical of the police bungling in his case. Although the police took pictures of the crime scene at his home, his friends eventually found the bullet with which he was shot and took it to the Muldersdrift police. They lost it.

The inspector tasked with handling his case was sick and died during the investigation. It was never continued.

He said "nothing was done" after several calls were made on his cellphone which the robbers stole from him, using another sim card. A court date would be set down early in March.

Spokesman for the Ministry of Safety and Security Trevor Bloem said he was not aware of the case. "You do have these cases from time to time."

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=712405
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One thing I have to admit...The govt are flippen EXCELLENT TALKERS!
 
blunomore said:
A fed-up crime victim plans to sue Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula for a "significant amount" in the Pretoria High Court in March.

"I’ve had enough. I’m a little bull terrier. I’m there to say that the government must do something," Byron Gerber said today.

Gerber said he spent three months in intensive care in Wilgeheuwel Hospital after being shot twice in the arm, right lung, kidney and liver by robbers in a Johannesburg security complex in 2005. His hospital bills amounted to R1.6 million.

Gerber said the police were denying South Africans their constitutional right to safety and security and freedom from "all forms of violence".

"Many citizens including myself are being denied this right by being imprisoned in our own homes or on the streets due to criminal elements targeting innocent people in the most violent crime waves," he said.

A lot of people wrote petitions, "jump up and down", but do nothing about it, he said.

Gerber was critical of the police bungling in his case. Although the police took pictures of the crime scene at his home, his friends eventually found the bullet with which he was shot and took it to the Muldersdrift police. They lost it.

The inspector tasked with handling his case was sick and died during the investigation. It was never continued.

He said "nothing was done" after several calls were made on his cellphone which the robbers stole from him, using another sim card. A court date would be set down early in March.

Spokesman for the Ministry of Safety and Security Trevor Bloem said he was not aware of the case. "You do have these cases from time to time."

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=712405
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I hope this is a chain reaction of lawsuits against the government. They not just not doing anything. They are encouraging crime, because if you aren't doing anything, then you are encouraging. Hopefully the whole country will sue the ANC.
I still find it hard to believe that people will entrust their safety and security in the hands of the ANC, who are full of crminals and terrorists.
 
MyselfY9Y said:
I hope this is a chain reaction of lawsuits against the government. They not just not doing anything. They are encouraging crime, because if you aren't doing anything, then you are encouraging. Hopefully the whole country will sue the ANC.
I still find it hard to believe that people will entrust their safety and security in the hands of the ANC, who are full of crminals and terrorists.
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Not all are criminals and terrorists.

It should also be noted that safety and security is not in the hands of the ANC, but in the hands of the government.

Yes apathy is condoning it.

This is only my view.
 
Piepalook said:
Not all are criminals and terrorists.

It should also be noted that safety and security is not in the hands of the ANC, but in the hands of the government.
Yes apathy is condoning it.

This is only my view.
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Kindly indicate how often you are able to CLEARLY distinguish between the ANC and the Govt. The blurred the lines and they think it's OK to do so.
 
Let us look at the claim this guy wants to make, but first we must look at the constitutional clause/s

12. Freedom and security of the person

Everyone has the right to freedom and security of the person, which includes the right *
a) not to be deprived of freedom arbitrarily or without just cause;
b) not to be detained without trial;
c) to be free from all forms of violence from either public or private sources;
d) not to be tortured in any way; and
e) not to be treated or punished in a cruel, inhuman or degrading way.

Everyone has the right to bodily and psychological integrity, which includes the right *
a) to make decisions concerning reproduction;
b) to security in and control over their body; and
c) not to be subjected to medical or scientific experiments without their informed consent.
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or even

11. Life

Everyone has the right to life.
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You will have to prove that the Police done nothing to prevent the crime beforehand or apprehend the criminals after the incident.

Proving the police done nothing to prevent the crime is virtually impossible, as the police will pull out crime stats showing decreases in crime, and details of crime prevention exercises being done throughout the area.

If we look at this case, the man cannot claim the police done nothing to apprehend the criminals, as the police visited the scene, done preliminary investigations and assigned the case to an investigating officer. No matter how shoddilly (sp?) the case was dealt with, he will not be able to show gross neglicence on the part of the police, and the most he can hope for is that they get a stern talking to from the court.

This case on the specifics of the case itself, and on the broader issue, seems doomed to failure
 
I think he has a case.. The bullet was found .. the investigation was not done properly by the detectives. and now they don't know where it is? = neglect :confused: :mad:
 
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xtermin8or said:
Let us look at the claim this guy wants to make, but first we must look at the constitutional clause/s



or even



You will have to prove that the Police done nothing to prevent the crime beforehand or apprehend the criminals after the incident.

Proving the police done nothing to prevent the crime is virtually impossible, as the police will pull out crime stats showing decreases in crime, and details of crime prevention exercises being done throughout the area.

If we look at this case, the man cannot claim the police done nothing to apprehend the criminals, as the police visited the scene, done preliminary investigations and assigned the case to an investigating officer. No matter how shoddilly (sp?) the case was dealt with, he will not be able to show gross neglicence on the part of the police, and the most he can hope for is that they get a stern talking to from the court.

This case on the specifics of the case itself, and on the broader issue, seems doomed to failure
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http://www.carteblanche.co.za/display/Display.asp?Id=1844
 
blunomore said:
http://www.carteblanche.co.za/display/Display.asp?Id=1844
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The crucial difference

Doreen and Eurana may not have known about Coetzee, but the Knysna police certainly did. They had a docket that reflected a history of sexual violence. When he attempted to rape and murder Eurana, he was already serving a four year suspended sentence for indecent assault. He appeared in the Knysna magistrate’s court the next day.

Police and prosecutors don’t always have all the facts about an accused at their fingertips. What is remarkable about this case is that they had his record. All the information was available. Despite knowing his history, neither the investigating officer nor the prosecutor informed the magistrate about it. Coetzee was released back into the community.
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xtermin8or said:
The crucial difference
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Gerber was critical of the police bungling in his case. Although the police took pictures of the crime scene at his home, his friends eventually found the bullet with which he was shot and took it to the Muldersdrift police. They lost it.

The inspector tasked with handling his case was sick and died during the investigation. It was never continued.

He said "nothing was done" after several calls were made on his cellphone which the robbers stole from him, using another sim card.
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Eish :D
 
Piepalook said:
Not all are criminals and terrorists.

It should also be noted that safety and security is not in the hands of the ANC, but in the hands of the government.

Yes apathy is condoning it.

This is only my view.
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The government is ANC.
 
MyselfY9Y said:
The government is ANC.
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I have to dissagree with you on this one.

The government consists of a tri-party allaiance.

It consists of the African National Congress,the South African Communist party and COSATU.
 
Piepalook said:
I have to dissagree with you on this one.

The government consists of a tri-party allaiance.

It consists of the African National Congress,the South African Communist party and COSATU.
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But all are presented as the ANC. You can't vote for SACP or COSATU at the elections, although I'm not too sure about the SACP.
 
Nod said:
But all are presented as the ANC. You can't vote for SACP or COSATU at the elections, although I'm not too sure about the SACP.
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Correct.
However, wether three party or not, the country is run by communists. Which is in itself sick. :sick:
 
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