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http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2012/10/25/zuma-tapes-no-show

President Jacob Zuma's lawyers yesterday failed to meet a court cut-off date to submit an affidavit about the existence and contents of the controversial spy tapes - seven months after the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the National Prosecution Authority to release its transcripts.

Zuma's lawyer and special adviser Michael Hulley has, according to acting NPA head Nomgcobo Jiba, been in possession of full transcripts of the recordings since April but has not released them to the authorities.

Neither Hulley nor presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj could be reached for comment yesterday.

DA MP James Selfe, who successfully lodged a court case to obtain the recordings on behalf of his party, said last night the DA had not received any documentation or tapes from Zuma.

The reluctance to shed light on the spy tapes might result in:

â– The DA asking the courts to proceed with a high court case to test the NPA's decision to drop charges of racketeering, corruption, fraud and money-laundering against Zuma before the 2009 election;
â– COPE president Mosiuoa Lekota calling for Zuma's impeachment over his alleged disregard for the constitution and rule of law; and
â– Former Special Investigating Unit deputy Faiek Davids questioning the existence and legality of the tapes.
Selfe said Zuma's "lack of respect for the rule of law" placed the DA in a "very difficult position".

"We will have to approach the court to proceed with the case without the documents or tapes. This is absolutely inappropriate," said Selfe.

Even he now has doubts that the tapes exist.

"I'm not at all sure if they do. As each day passes it becomes more and more clear that there is no evidence, documents or tapes that the NPA's decision [to drop charges] were based on."

He said if the tapes did exist, the only possible explanation for the reluctance to release them was "a delaying tactic to avoid the case going to court before Mangaung".

The tapes have been a closely guarded state secret since their existence came to the fore in 2009 and have become a nightmare for Zuma and the NPA.
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No respect for the law:mad:
 
i know the basics about these tapes, could someone explain to me how 'the tapes' got the charges dropped?
 
President Jacob Zuma's lawyers yesterday failed to meet a court cut-off date to submit an affidavit about the existence and contents of the controversial spy tapes - seven months after the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the National Prosecution Authority to release its transcripts.

Zuma's lawyer and special adviser Michael Hulley has, according to acting NPA head Nomgcobo Jiba, been in possession of full transcripts of the recordings since April but has not released them to the authorities.
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Do I have this correct:

1. The SCA ordered the NPA to release transcripts of the tapes.
2. Hulley is in posession of the transcripts but did not release them.

So, if the NPA is not in posession of the transcipts, why were they ordered to release it? How can you be ordered to release something which you do not have ?????
 
blunomore said:
Do I have this correct:

1. The SCA ordered the NPA to release transcripts of the tapes.
2. Hulley is in posession of the transcripts but did not release them.

So, if the NPA is not in posession of the transcipts, why were they ordered to release it? How can you be ordered to release something which you do not have ?????
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The NPA say they handed the tapes to Zuma's lawyer. That's why they are the ones who were ordered to release them.
 
R13... said:
The NPA say they handed the tapes to Zuma's lawyer. That's why they are the ones who were ordered to release them.
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Yes, in that case I am also of the opinion that they do not exist. I remembered reading more or less what were allegedy on the tapes, but now ... they seem to have disappeared. Hulley should be charged with contempt.
 
blunomore said:
Yes, in that case I am also of the opinion that they do not exist. I remembered reading more or less what were allegedy on the tapes, but now ... they seem to have disappeared. Hulley should be charged with contempt.
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Why? It was the NPA not Hulley who was asked to produce the tapes. And being a lawyer he'll hide conveniently behind that technicality. They should lock up that Zuma lapdog Jiba.
 
blunomore said:
Yes, in that case I am also of the opinion that they do not exist. I remembered reading more or less what were allegedy on the tapes, but now ... they seem to have disappeared. Hulley should be charged with contempt.
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Agreed, he should.

R13... said:
Why? It was the NPA not Hulley who was asked to produce the tapes. And being a lawyer he'll hide conveniently behind that technicality. They should lock up that Zuma lapdog Jiba.
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The NPA are legally obligated by the SCA ruling to hand the transcripts over... If they gave them to Hulley in good faith, it would have been to fulfil that obligation (or else they are conspiring with him to defeat the ends of justice). I don't see how there is any wriggle room here. The DA should have their lawyers in court today having a contempt of court warrant issued.
 
daveza said:
If the tapes never existed how can there be transcripts ?
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If they don't, then fraud was perpetrated against the South African people in '09 and Lekota is correct in calling for impeachment.
 
Blu, you know (practice) law?

What will the consequences be for Zuma and other guilty parties, should these tapes not exist?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Blu, you know (practice) law?

What will the consequences be for Zuma and other guilty parties, should these tapes not exist?
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I read law, but thankfully do not practise it :)

If they do not exist, I am very much surprised that they are not creating (forging) transcripts and telling us the originals got lost or something.
 
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