LLU: Wait and see, says minister

'wait and see' yip the consumer will wait and we will see how we the consumer once again won't benefit but only the government. All this hype and in the end f0kk3l for the consumer.

Keep your Vaseline handy, don't throw it away cause you will need it come November 2011.

This government and it's cronies doesn't give one much hope in what they promise.
 
We've been waiting since your last great announcement when you were still deputy minister.
 
Wait and see. That's the plan? Sounds like the plan that got us here. Benefits government/telkom hugely.
 
We've been waiting alright, since the rest of the world did it ages ago. The seeing, not so much...

It's March already and you won't even anounce your plans? LOL there's only 9 months left. You'd best get your ass into gear. Or at least get a Neofail/Gautrain style speech written saying you never said LLU would happen before November.
 
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The real concern should be that Telkom will con everyone into believing that bitstream is enough. What that will mean is that those with existing local loop will either have to get fibre as well (e.g. Neotel), or live with whatever generation of DSL technology that Telkom has chosen to impose on them. What about VDSL / VDSL2?
 
I think the DoC and ICASA played right into Telkom’s hands. No incumbent operator will happily unbundle the local loop, and stalling tactics are typically part of any LLU process. What makes South Africa a bit unique is that the ‘stalling’ came from the regulator and ministry rather than the incumbent operator.

Telkom can happily sit back and wait for the DoC/ICASA to get their ducks in a row – and when these two institutions want a quick solution to say that LLU was a success they officially launch their IPStream and Chipac offerings.

I think the institutions to blame are the DoC and ICASA. They did very little since 2007, and now want everything to happen within a few months. I certainly don’t want a rushed job when it comes to someone servicing our copper!
 
Sorry wont make any difference.

The initial SNO Neotel has stated they are not the SNOt, so we don't have anyone that can use the lines other than telscum.

looks like we have run a circle, and landed in a different spot.
 
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I think the DoC and ICASA played right into Telkom’s hands. No incumbent operator will happily unbundle the local loop, and stalling tactics are typically part of any LLU process. What makes South Africa a bit unique is that the ‘stalling’ came from the regulator and ministry rather than the incumbent operator.

Telkom can happily sit back and wait for the DoC/ICASA to get their ducks in a row – and when these two institutions want a quick solution to say that LLU was a success they officially launch their IPStream and Chipac offerings.

I think the institutions to blame are the DoC and ICASA. They did very little since 2007, and now want everything to happen within a few months. I certainly don’t want a rushed job when it comes to someone servicing our copper!
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It's not as if government has shares in Telkom and would benefit from stalling or anything crazy like that...

... oh wait.
 
rpm said:
They did very little since 2007, and now want everything to happen within a few months. I certainly don’t want a rushed job when it comes to someone servicing our copper!
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I'm almost willing to wager cold hard cash on this that the REASON why "nothing" has been done since 2007 is to give Telkom the opportunity to get bitstream up and running and tested fully. That will be the announcement come 1st of November (funny how 1st of November is earmarked by both government and Telkom for major changes huh?)

Telkom & the government had a behind-closed-doors discussion about this already and it took them this long to get ready.

Personally I would prefer it if went full on LLU, because this *still* mean we can't get independent cable companies to upgrade/maintain infrastructure Telkom feels doesn't have enough of a profit margin for them to bother with anything. Their move by starting their own cellphone company speaks volumes.
 
Donald Bradbury said:
we don't have anyone that can use the lines other than telscum
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I assume that you're genuinely confused, and not just being childish.

The whole point is that, until there is LLU, it's impossible for anyone to challenge Telkom's absolute control of the residential market.
 
LLU needs to have two elements to be vaguely considered beneficial to the industry and to customers:

1. Must allow individual service providers to offer far higher speeds if they wish (adsl 2+, vdsl etc).
2. Must allow customer to rent the ADSL and a phone line independently of each other (each at a fair price).
 
Oh and coupled with the fact that local elections are around the corner I won't be phased if this is just a ploy by government to try and "sell" that they're actually doing something to benefit the citizens of south africa and not just their own pockets
 
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