MWEB - JHB/DBN vs. Cape Town and the huge discrepancies in performance

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I have decided to split this issue out from the "MWEB Uncapped Subscribers Feedback" on account of it becoming lost amongst a host of other unrelated issues. The severity of the issue, coupled with MWEB's apparent refusal to acknowledge that there is a problem at all has forced me to try and bring the issue to the forefront in an attempt to put pressure on MWEB to rectify it.

What is the issue?

Currently, Durban and Johannesburg users of MWEB's Uncapped Shaped product are being throttled on a per connection basis (regardless of protocol) during the day. This is on a sliding scale, but at its worst is around 150kbps, or 18KB/s. This phenomenon is most clearly illustrated in the graph below:
http://www.slackers.co.za/uploads/20110525/daily.gif
This graph shows the progression of a very large download via HTTP (port 80) from a web server in Europe.

You may ask why this is a problem, given that we are talking about a shaped product, and we can expect shaping during peak hours of the day... You'd be justified, and if every person that paid R539 for the service got the same performance, there would be no room for complaint. However, it is a problem because users in Cape Town are most definitely NOT subject to the same shaping / throttling. At any given point in the day, User A in Cape Town can expect up to 10x the performance when compared to User B in JHB/Durban!

What is MWEB's response?

From the responses in the "MWEB Uncapped Subscribers Feedback" thread (which incidentally has grown by almost 100 pages since this problem began) with regard to users experiencing the same problems, the general concensus from Will@MWEB and MWEB Guy is that there are numerous external factors that need to be considered, and that we can be assured that they do endeavour to keep the experience the same in all regions.

I, for one, could accept this explanation if we were talking about a fluctuation of 10-20%, but when we are talking about such a MASSIVE difference in performance, questions need to be asked about what is a fair expectation!

I have personally spent many hours testing out this theory by comparing my results with those of some 10 other MWEB Uncapped users (some high-usage, others low-usage), both in JHB, Durban and Cape Town which is why I am so confident that the issue does not lie with my line or my specific account. Unfortunately, at this point in time I have basically been stone-walled by MWEB support who refuse to entertain any further support queries from myself on the matter given my high usage. Apparently, because I have downloaded such large volumes of data in the past, I am not in a position to complain about my throughput. As such, there really is not much more I personally can do, other than try to bring the issue to the attention of others and hope that someone else takes the baton and runs with it. Hopefully a tech-savvy *new* MWEB client in Durban will pick up on this and query it with MWEB. That way, there can be no question of usage.

As I did in the original thread, I would like to challenge ALL 4MB MWEB Uncapped users in the Durban area to try and download a file of 20MB or more at an average rate of more than 75KB/sec using a single connection (so no download managers) during the week-day. Time your download and work out what the average speed was at the end (don't look at the realtime speed). Then, give the same URL to a user in Cape Town and compare the speed. If you don't know a user in Cape Town, hopefully someone reading this can put their hand up to test for us. I suspect you will find that the user in Cape Town will get the same file at least two to three times, and up to TEN times as fast. Do note however, that many international downloads are hosted on CDNs with local mirrors, or are cached locally. Therefore, to get a true reflection of your download speed, try to use a unique URL (ie. your own webspace in US or EU, or Dropbox etc), or perhaps choose an international mirror for a file listed here.

When I can find the time, and if I am still an MWEB customer at that point, I would like to write a small app that will allow MWEB users to download a unique file on a web server and compare their throughput to that of others, as well as collate that information. I'm confident that this would highlight the huge discrepancy in performance between JHB/DBN and Cape Town.

UPDATE:
User Pr⊕phet has found a nice speedtest site that clearly highlights the issue above. I have created a public Google Spreadsheet to keep track of the results. It can be viewed here.
 
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Thanks for highlighting this somewhere other than the MWeb Uncapped uber thread, I think the guys at MWeb have grown used to approaching each problem with a cookie cutter response, it's time to start creating individual threads for each matter.

Another possibly easier method for testing (unless the app is easy to write) I would suggest doing spot/random file downloads, set constants (such as one particular download manager with pre-determined settings (number of threads etc) and then start posting times of how long it takes to download the file.
 
Great info and reflects my experiences with my friends in CT/Durbs to the T!

Edit: this mainly became a noticeble problem last year when MWeb installed SAT3 into CT/Jhb and KZN was left off the map... My pings remained terrible and throughput quite laughable with 0 signs of a remedy... My friends were overjoyed and still have little issues I, on the other hand, had the same old troll reply "our engineers are looking into it" and have since left...
 
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What's more concerning is that MyADSL hasnt written a cover story highlighting this issue, anyone looking up information in the news section spotting a new Mweb product thread might even be inclined to sign up without having seen the Feedback thread which is reaching "I am the Thread Killer" proportions.
 
What's more concerning is that MyADSL hasnt written a cover story highlighting this issue, anyone looking up information in the news section spotting a new Mweb product thread might even be inclined to sign up without having seen the Feedback thread which is reaching "I am the Thread Killer" proportions.

That's a very good point. Many times before they've written "articles" based solely on forum posters problems, but this is left alone? Must be the nice advertising budget MWEB sends MyBroadband.
 
What's more concerning is that MyADSL hasnt written a cover story highlighting this issue, anyone looking up information in the news section spotting a new Mweb product thread might even be inclined to sign up without having seen the Feedback thread which is reaching "I am the Thread Killer" proportions.

I think that's partly the problem hence my idea regarding multiple threads.
 
Well myself and a few other forumites have requested RPM to look into this, nothing sighted yet, perhaps do the same.
 
http://mirror.leaseweb.com/software...ses/4.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox Setup 4.0.1.exe

04:05:56 PM 2011/06/01 Starting download...
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 Opening file on the disk...
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 Succeeded
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Started
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Downloading
04:14:28 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Done
04:14:30 PM 2011/06/01 Download complete

23.8KB/sec average speed for a 11.9MB file

Downloaded using FDM, single active section (ie. no multithreading)

Please could a CT user try download the same file? Click on the link, when it brings up the FDM Start page click the Advanced... button then set the maximum number of sections to 1.
 
Cape Town.

2011-06-01 16:26:29 (321 KB/s) - `Firefox Setup 4.0.1.exe' saved [12521992/12521992]

real 0m38.782s

Tracepath:
3: Te1-1-0.508.cpt-ipc-1.mweb.co.za 36.522ms asymm 6
4: Vlan92.cpt-hscore-1.mweb.co.za 37.045ms asymm 6
5: TenGigE0-2-0-0.11.cpt-up-1.mweb.co.za 38.782ms asymm 6
6: pos0-0-3-0.lon-up-1.mweb.co.za 189.049ms asymm 7
7: ten4-0.lon.leaseweb.net 250.172ms asymm 10
8: te3-4.hv3.evo.leaseweb.net 205.841ms asymm 9
 
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04:26:43 PM 01/06/2011 Starting download...
04:26:43 PM 01/06/2011 Opening file on the disk...
04:26:43 PM 01/06/2011 Succeeded
04:26:43 PM 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Started
04:26:43 PM 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Downloading
04:27:40 PM 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Done
04:27:40 PM 01/06/2011 Download complete

Approx one minute.
 
Lol, nuff said

I hope this is enough evidence for rpm to take notice, write an article and get MWEB to improve their throughput to Durban or at the very least try to explain the difference in speeds.
 
Cape Town Test

http://mirror.leaseweb.com/software...ses/4.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox Setup 4.0.1.exe

04:05:56 PM 2011/06/01 Starting download...
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 Opening file on the disk...
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 Succeeded
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Started
04:05:57 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Downloading
04:14:28 PM 2011/06/01 [Section 1] - Done
04:14:30 PM 2011/06/01 Download complete

23.8KB/sec average speed for a 11.9MB file

Downloaded using FDM, single active section (ie. no multithreading)

Please could a CT user try download the same file? Click on the link, when it brings up the FDM Start page click the Advanced... button then set the maximum number of sections to 1.

Howzit

I stay in Newlands Cape Town

Timed download was 1 minute 8 seconds.

175kb/sec average.
 
Thanks for doing that guys...

I did the same (for Durban obviously).

16:06:24 01/06/2011 Starting download...
16:06:25 01/06/2011 Opening file on the disk...
16:06:25 01/06/2011 Succeeded
16:06:25 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Started
16:06:25 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Downloading
16:16:34 01/06/2011 [Section 1] - Done
16:16:34 01/06/2011 Download complete

That's 20.01KB/sec by my count.

Uh.... Nuff said indeed!
 
A benchmark for you guys, I downloaded the file... 4mbps ADSL unshaped... Cape Town... 422kb/sec (not MWEB)...
 
Hi i am also from durban and i have had this issue since day one, which was actually day 8 because they messed up all the usernames and passwords but that is another story. when i first did a speedtest in december last year i got a speed of 0.2MBps on speedtest .net. since then i have never got above 0.12 and i only started using my uncapped to its full potential last month. i live less than 500 cable metres from then exchange for my area so that rules out alot of what they said to me. I have the same speed no matter what i do so it isn't true shaping. A friend of mine experiences even worse shaping than i do. his speeds are half those of mine.
 

This is really strange. I have what I think is the perfect MWeb experience, but trying to download your link using Firefox's default download manager gives me about 40kB/s. I've just run some tests on other protocols with the following results:

1. Torrents (Game Of Thrones): Downloading at > 440kB/s (only ran it for about 5 minutes though)
2. Youtube: Watched a bikini.com HD :D video at 720p with no buffering.
3.Newsgroups: Downloading at 260 - 400 kB/s (intl. paid server)

All the above were tested within the last 30 minutes.

Edit: I'm connecting from Sunninghill in Johannesburg
 
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Hi i am also from durban and i have had this issue since day one, which was actually day 8 because they messed up all the usernames and passwords but that is another story. when i first did a speedtest in december last year i got a speed of 0.2MBps on speedtest .net. since then i have never got above 0.12 and i only started using my uncapped to its full potential last month. i live less than 500 cable metres from then exchange for my area so that rules out alot of what they said to me. I have the same speed no matter what i do so it isn't true shaping. A friend of mine experiences even worse shaping than i do. his speeds are half those of mine.

Sounds like you could have other problems dude... Try test your line between 1am and 8am if possible. If its still slow during those hours, then there is definitely something else at play.
 
This is really strange. I have what I think is the perfect MWeb experience, but trying to download your link using Firefox's default download manager gives me about 40kB/s. I've just run some tests on other protocols with the following results:

1. Torrents (Game Of Thrones): Downloading at > 440kB/s (only ran it for about 5 minutes though)
2. Youtube: Watched a bikini.com HD :D video at 720 with no buffering.
3.Newsgroups: Downloading at 260 - 400 kB/s

All the above were tested within the last 30 minutes.

1. I can only assume that your tracker is connecting you to local users and you're getting local bandwidth between peers.
2. MWEB appear to prioritise Youtube, so that could explain it. Also, if you are watching a popular video, bear in mind that it is probably cached locally on MWEB's transparent proxy.
3. Newsgroups - are you using MWEB's news server or an international one?

Still, by all means, if you're still skeptical, find another URL and I'll gladly compare results with you and try get a Cape Town mate to do same.
 
I will download it tonight. Also non M-Web and post my results.

Posting non-MWEB results doesn't really help I'm afraid. MWEB will simply tell you that you are not comparing Apples with Apples and therefore the test is invalid.
 
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