RIM see BlackBerry delay as a good thing

RIM might see a silver lining, but the market just sees it as another delayed device.

I know lots of people who are contemplating ditching their Crackberry's in favour of more capable devices...

Plus a delay of 6 months means a phone that MIGHT have been feature comparable to Android or iPhone at time of release, will no longer be such.
 
including a radio appearance by CEO Thorsten Heins where he said there was “nothing wrong” with the company.
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And there's your problem...

I don't think they're going to make it out of this mess. And I'd be surprised if we even see BB 10.
 
Silver lining as in real measurable outcomes or more empty rhetoric from Mr Heins?
 
Frikkenator said:
And there's your problem...

I don't think they're going to make it out of this mess. And I'd be surprised if we even see BB 10.
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Well at least they doing better than Nokia, if you look at the stock prices :)

I still think they can capitalize on BIS for other phones. Looking at Onavo Extend, the market is ready and waiting for this, all RIM has to do is support it.
 
Elimentals said:
Well at least they doing better than Nokia, if you look at the stock prices :)

I still think they can capitalize on BIS for other phones. Looking at Onavo Extend, the market is ready and waiting for this, all RIM has to do is support it.
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But they aren't doing it. They're still trying to create their own smartphones and compete head on. And every statement from the mouth of Mr Heins has been utter delusion.
 
cerebus said:
But they aren't doing it. They're still trying to create their own smartphones and compete head on. And every statement from the mouth of Mr Heins has been utter delusion.
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Oh I have worked for a major German company before, so I know his type. Its not really his fault its they way they are "build". He will continue to say the sun is bright even after the sun exploded centuries ago, its not in their nature to admit defeat... ever.
 
Elimentals said:
Well at least they doing better than Nokia, if you look at the stock prices :)

I still think they can capitalize on BIS for other phones. Looking at Onavo Extend, the market is ready and waiting for this, all RIM has to do is support it.
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Agreed, although I believe Nokia's long term prospects are a lot better than RIM's.

I'm not too sure splitting the services side from the hardware will work either, well it might, but I think it's going to take too long, and they're running out of time.

What amazes me is that they get guys in to evaluate the business, typically some of the best in the industry, and ALL of them told them that if they continue making phones they will go bust, yet they don't care. In the same way they never cared for where the industry is moving to and what their customer really want and need. I guess ignorance is bliss after all.
 
Hmm so come early next year I can see myself using a bb os 10 device and a wp8 device,exciting times...goodbye android and ios you guys are getting a bit long in the tooth now for me personally.
 
We all believe that competition is a good thing but aren't all these mobile OS's getting somewhat ridiculous? Wouldn't it be better to have a few solid OS's and build more and better apps around them? Why BB10? Why MeeGo/Tizen? Why MUST RIM have their own OS? Why not use Android? What will BB10 do that Android cannot be made to do? My understanding is the Android is open and OEM's can pretty much do what they like with the code to offer something unique. Why a whole different OS? Maybe I'm naive.
 
BeVonk! said:
We all believe that competition is a good thing but aren't all these mobile OS's getting somewhat ridiculous? Wouldn't it be better to have a few solid OS's and build more and better apps around them? Why BB10? Why MeeGo/Tizen? Why MUST RIM have their own OS? Why not use Android? What will BB10 do that Android cannot be made to do? My understanding is the Android is open and OEM's can pretty much do what they like with the code to offer something unique. Why a whole different OS? Maybe I'm naive.
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I agree. RIM would be much better off if they embraced an established platform and made a kick-ass phone for it.

Too bad.
 
BeVonk! said:
We all believe that competition is a good thing but aren't all these mobile OS's getting somewhat ridiculous? Wouldn't it be better to have a few solid OS's and build more and better apps around them? Why BB10? Why MeeGo/Tizen? Why MUST RIM have their own OS? Why not use Android? What will BB10 do that Android cannot be made to do? My understanding is the Android is open and OEM's can pretty much do what they like with the code to offer something unique. Why a whole different OS? Maybe I'm naive.
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To ensure that the BIS and BES services only operate on their devices. Also, remove the operating system and they pretty much become a handset competitor - and they are not renowned for that in any way. They need to either build their own OS or restructure the entire company...
 
DJ... said:
To ensure that the BIS and BES services only operate on their devices. Also, remove the operating system and they pretty much become a handset competitor - and they are not renowned for that in any way. They need to either build their own OS or restructure the entire company...
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Well that's the problem. With the cost of data falling all the time, it's beginning to render BIS useless. Maybe not so much in SA, but certainly the rest of the world. If they shifted their focus towards improving their BIS infrastructure even 2 years ago, and moved towards marketing it as a value add on other platforms, a lot of the mess that they find themselves in could have been avoided.
 
Vodafone should buy RIM and integrate BIS/BES and BBM into its network.
 
“The short delay is not detrimental if the quality is there when we launch early next year,” Boulben told Reuters in a telephone interview on the eve of the company’s annual meeting. “We will have much more attention and focus and ability to leverage our carriers.”
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Quality? What about features? There are many good quality devices out their with many features. Quality alone won't cut it.
 
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