The Syrian Conflict Thread

Protect the rebels from a chemical attack, they are ones proven to be using the chemicals.

You have got to be kidding me, how on earth does the russian evidence and turkish evidence get ignored but sand samples with absolutely no proof other than assad did it is acceptable.

London's mayor should be leading the UK.

http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/ note the date of this article and you can research it, it really did happen.
http://www.interpretermag.com/examining-russias-allegation-of-syrian-rebel-sarin-gas-use/ i will quote something from this article.

The United states, via White House spokesman Jay Carney, refuted the idea, stating that they had seen no evidence to suggest anyone other than the Assad government had used chemical weapons.
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May 30th turkey finds sarin gas, al nusra rebels.
July 10 White house claims no evidence exists that anyone else could have used the chemical.

Ummm turkey hates assad and want him gone, believe me the turks would not help assad but when there are chemicals involved you let the world know. So once again the US are lying, the turkish arrests prove al nusra has sarin gas. Who used it well i tend to side with the people providing proof.

Turkey with the arrests and russia with the delivery system. The US, well they have sand with sarin gas present. Assad is many things but he would not be stupid enough to use chemical weapons. He would lose russia without a doubt. Now al nusra o hell yes they would use it. Nobody is buying this US BS though thankfully. Then again nobody bought it prior to the attack on iraq.
 
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killadoob said:
Protect the rebels from a chemical attack, they are ones proven to be using the chemicals.

You have got to be kidding me, how on earth does the russian evidence and turkish evidence get ignored but sand samples with absolutely no proof other than assad did it is acceptable.

London's mayor should be leading the UK.

http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/ note the date of this article and you can research it, it really did happen.
http://www.interpretermag.com/examining-russias-allegation-of-syrian-rebel-sarin-gas-use/ i will quote something from this article.

May 30th turkey finds sarin gas, al nusra rebels.
July 10 White house claims no evidence exists that anyone else could have used the chemical.

Ummm turkey hates assad and want him gone, believe me the turks would not help assad but when there are chemicals involved you let the world know. So once again the US are lying, the turkish arrests prove al nusra has sarin gas. Who used it well i tend to side with the people providing proof.

Turkey with the arrests and russia with the delivery system. The US, well they have sand with sarin gas present. Assad is many things but he would not be stupid enough to use chemical weapons. He would lose russia without a doubt. Now al nusra o hell yes they would use it. Nobody is buying this US BS though thankfully. Then again nobody bought it prior to the attack on iraq.
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If you want to ignore the UK and French evidence, mentioned by the USA, based on your ignorance of the WMDs of Iraq, tough...

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629

...But then, we all know you are just being pathetic as usual, peddling your "no WMDs!" lie, no matter what. C'mon, yap your communist diatribe some more, so I can point and laugh some more.
 
Lightscribe said:
If you want to ignore the UK and French evidence, mentioned by the USA, based on your ignorance of the WMDs of Iraq, tough...

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629

...But then, we all know you are just being pathetic as usual, peddling your "no WMDs!" lie, no matter what. C'mon, yap your communist diatribe some more, so I can point and laugh some more.
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Killadoob is right, and I don't think he's ignoring UK and French evidence, its just that the evidence suggests that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Director of MI5 testified in an inquiry on Iraq that, MI6 and CIA were told before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD. Furthermore, the Obama administration now recognize that due to the Iraq WMD legacy they will now need definitive proof to persuade Russia that Assad’s regime used deadly sarin gas.

And if nothing better will do- here it is, straight from the horse's mouth:"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq"- Bush on the no-existent Iraqi WMD
 
Tw171 said:
Killadoob is right, and I don't think he's ignoring UK and French evidence, its just that the evidence suggests that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Director of MI5 testified in an inquiry on Iraq that, MI6 and CIA were told before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD. Furthermore, the Obama administration now recognize that due to the Iraq WMD legacy they will now need definitive proof to persuade Russia that Assad’s regime used deadly sarin gas.

And if nothing better will do- here it is, straight from the horse's mouth:"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq"- Bush on the no-existent Iraqi WMD
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All your info shows, is that some didn't know, just how correct the consideration of WMDs in Iraq, was.

Firstly, the CIA link I provided, proves he had WMDs.

Secondly, it's common knowledge, that he used WMDs.

Thirdly, the second link I provided shows that there were WMDs. 500 hidden sarin, nerve and VX weapons is no small thing.

Fourth,
Earlier this year, some of America's top counter-terrorism and national security experts gathered for their 2006 Intelligence Summit. There, UN weapons inspector Bill Tierney provided a first-ever translation of captured tapes featuring Saddam Hussein and his lieutenants discussing — you guessed it — WMDs.

One tape features Saddam and Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz discussing the ease with which Iraq could conduct — and arrange for a third party (presumably al Qaeda) to carry out — a biological weapons attack against America in such a way that "they wouldn't finger us."

Others detail Iraq's success in hiding its rockets and its chemical weapons factories from UN inspectors. Saddam himself makes clear — as the Duelfer Report later asserted — that his program, far from dormant, would crank into full gear as soon as sanctions were lifted.

Most important: the tapes conclusively establish that Saddam had no intention of destroying his WMDs after the Gulf War — just as the NGIC report now proves.
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Lastly, Bush Jr's statement you link to, simply shows that he did not read the book, by Ion Mihai Pacepa, on his daddy's desk. Then he would have known about plans, such as Libya's "Sarindar."
 
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Gen. Dempsey grilled about U.S. policy in Syria

WASHINGTON -- The nation's top military officer, Gen. Martin Dempsey, came under fire from Sen. John McCain over the issue of Syria in a testy exchange Thursday at Dempsey's confirmation hearing.

McCain, who supports a stronger role in supporting rebels in Syria, accused the Obama administration of inaction in Syria and questioned the quality of advice Dempsey has provided to the White House over the past two years.

McCain, R-Ariz., suggested the risks of inaction in Syria outweighed risks the United States would face in engaging more actively in supporting rebels.

"We have not been inactive," Dempsey countered.

Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee with Adm. James Winnefeld, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The two have been nominated by the White House for a second term in their positions.

The White House has said it will arm rebels, but opposition leaders in Syria say they have yet to receive those weapons and momentum is shifting toward government forces loyal to President Bashar Assad.

Dempsey later acknowledged that the "tide has shifted" in favor of Assad's forces. He also said the momentum ebbs and flows between the two sides.

McCain expressed concerns that Dempsey's advice on arming rebels has shifted.

"How do we account for those pirouettes?" McCain asked.

"We have adapted our approach based on what we know of the opposition," Dempsey said.

The U.S. government has been concerned about the presence of al-Qaeda affiliated extremists within the Syria rebel groups, a factor that complicates any policy of supporting rebels.

"We wouldn't be starting a war," McCain, said of ramping up military support to the rebels. "We would be trying to stop a massacre that's going on."

Dempsey also said recent U.S. military experience should counsel caution since the introduction of military force can make things worse, an apparent reference to America's experience in Iraq.

"Senator, would you agree that we have recent experience where until we understood how the country would continue to govern and that institutions of governance wouldn't fail, that actually situations can be made worse by the introduction of military force?" Dempsey said.

"You and I went through this in 2006," McCain said. McCain said Dempsey disagreed at the time with what came to be known as the "surge" strategy in Iraq, which involved sending additional forces to Iraq and changing the way troops were employed.

"I think history shows that those of us who supported the surge were right, and people like you, who didn't think we need a surge were wrong," McCain said.

The surge helped reduce violence in Iraq.

Dempsey said the Pentagon has provided a range of options for Syria to the White House, but which of them to pursue is a decision for elected leaders.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y-senate-armed-services-confirmation/2551037/
 
Momentum Shifts in Syria, Bolstering Assad’s Position

In recent weeks, rebel groups have been killing one another with increasing ferocity, losing ground on the battlefield and alienating the very citizens they say they want to liberate. At the same time, the United States and other Western powers that have called for Mr. Assad to step down have shown new reluctance to provide the rebels with badly needed weapons.
“Assad is powerful now, not as a president who controls a state but as a warlord, as someone who has more and more sophisticated weapons than the others,” said Hassan Hassan, a Syrian commentator at the Abu Dhabi-based English-language newspaper The National. “He is not capable of winning back the country.”

“If the revolution continues like this, the people will revolt against us,” said a rebel commander from the central city of Homs, where Mr. Assad’s forces have made gains in recent days.The commander, who wanted only his first name, Ahmed, used to protect his family, criticized his fellow rebels for putting the interests of their brigades ahead of the wider anti-Assad struggle and accused them of hoarding powerful weapons or selling them for a profit. That lack of unity has prolonged the war and made their mission harder, he said.

Meanwhile, the many rebel groups have had to compete for irregular bursts of support from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and a range of private funders, each with its own ideological interests. This has exacerbated tensions among the rebel groups, as a win for one is seen as a loss for others. The rise of Qaeda-linked groups like the Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria has further splintered the cause, with some Syrian fighters resenting international jihadists who have joined the battle to serve their own ends.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/w...ring-assads-position.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Lightscribe said:
All your info shows, is that some didn't know, just how correct the consideration of WMDs in Iraq, was.

Firstly, the CIA link I provided, proves he had WMDs.

Secondly, it's common knowledge, that he used WMDs.

Thirdly, the second link I provided shows that there were WMDs. 500 hidden sarin, nerve and VX weapons is no small thing.

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Lastly, Bush Jr's statement you link to, simply shows that he did not read the book, by Ion Mihai Pacepa, on his daddy's desk. Then he would have known about plans, such as Libya's "Sarindar."
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Considering your first point: the CIA evidence of WMD. The problem, here, is that we have a credibility issue. We know that the CIA was asked to make the facts fit the official story. John Brennan, Deputy Executive Director of the CIA, told us they were asked to lie. The whole narrative that the CIA produced is therefore in serious question, and can be dismissed on those grounds.

The second point; well, yes, everyone knows Saddam used chemical warfare during the first gulf war. There is little to say here, seeing as weapon inspectors were in Iraq in 2001, and found the old, disused armories and cataloged everything.

Your third point: the article from Rod Martin. Martin references a newly-declassified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center. This is the report. It is an NIE (National Intelligence Estimate). NIEs are considered to be "estimative" products, in that they present what intelligence analysts estimate may be the course of future events. If you read the report, that is exactly what they say. “Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents (that’s the hidden sarin).- They don’t know. This is before the Iraq Survey Group. So just guess work.

The report was in fact not a new thing at the time of the article’s publication (Jun 29 2006), the report was declassified in 2003. As to why Martin is picking it up at this point in time, I can only guess that he either misunderstood it; read it as fact instead of an estimate, or, he intentionally used it to mislead.

The fourth point you raise: the 2006 Intelligence Summit. First off, the Intelligence Summit is a private security sector gathering, no official links to any government intelligence agencies. It is run by Michael Cherney, who "has been investigated or blacklisted on suspicion of money laundering, illegal business deals and connections to the Russian mafia. So, not a very prestigious summit.

The speaker, ex-UN weapons inspector Bill Tierney then gave a translation of 3 hours’ worth of recorded conversation of Saddam Hussein. It was not “a first-ever translation” of the recording. The recording was fully transcribed in the Foreign Policy Journal May / June 2004 #142. There seven different translators gave the clearest version available; seeing as how it is only audio, there’s a lot of subjective interpretation going on.

Bill Tierney, just gave his translation, based on his own interpretation of the recordings. And considering that Bill believes that God is his intel, and trusts that WMDs must be in Iraq, because his friend saw it in a dream; I would be very suspicious of any of his views and findings.

Lastly, Ion Mihai Pacepa, the IAEA gave him a full hearing then dismissed his claims, citing that when asked for particular details, Pacepa continued to elaborate on vague 'hunches' and 'beliefs' of what 'he would have done'. I don’t think there is much there except conspiracy theory.
 
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Tw i wish had time to respond, don't try argue with lightscribe he will make you pull your hair out. So pro american he never sees bad things nor does he has a drop of knowledge regarding syria.

Grant please use quotes :D.

Iraq the UN never bought the US lies, nato then attacked iraq. No weapons found

This time they have sand and have linked to assad magically, mean while russia has proved how the chemicals were used and turkey has proof the rebels have sarin gas. All proof is being ignored and sand is the one taken as the truth.

Case closed, if this was a court with a jury the US would be convicted of fabricating evidence and locked up.

The UN has come out and said the US does not have any proof. Going from fighting terror to supplying it with arms. Amazing how that works.
 
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Man Charged with spying for Syria in Germany

German prosecutors have charged a German-Syrian dual national with spying on exiled dissidents in Germany for Syria's intelligence services.

The federal prosecutor's office said Friday that it filed espionage charges at a Berlin court against the 37-year-old man, whom it identified only as Samer C. in line with German privacy rules.

Prosecutors allege that the suspect worked for Syrian intelligence from March 2011 to February 2012, snooping on Syrian dissidents living in Germany. They say that his main activity was taking photos of dissidents, and he passed the information to the military attache's office at the Syrian Embassy in Berlin.

In a separate case, a Syrian man was convicted in December of spying on dissidents in Germany from 2009-2012 and sentenced to three years and three months in prison.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 19 Jul 2013 10:00
 
Not really big news, so many spies get caught and locked up. Israeli, american etc.

Syria's biggest issue right now is ensuring there is no fly zone enforced and that the arms given are not really advanced and capable of doing serious damage. Those christians being protected will be slaughtered by al nusra. Most of the rebels groups will be taken out by al nusra, taliban coming to alnusra's side, iraq al queda coming in as well. The western weapons will land in the hands of the people they are suppose to be fighting. Either the western countries are outright stupid or they are ignoring that alnusra control syria and the weapons will make alnusra go after the other rebels even harder. Al nusra has a simple philosophy if you are not with them you must die. I can't see the US enforcing a no fly zone unless they go against the UN again. China and Russia will veto.

Russia also needs to realize peace is not possible with al nusra and al queda being main opposition, only terror and they have plenty people who will come help them, jodan, iraq, pakistan, afghanistan. If a no fly zone is enforce, iran had better get into this war and those 50000-60000 hezbollah troops better get ready as well. I have a feeling aug the US will enforce a no fly zone because the rebels cannot beat assad unless that happens. If there is a no fly zone i really hope both russia, china and iran get planes up and stop the western powers bombing the crap out of syria like they did in libya. Russia and china need to start realizing the US and co are also in bed with the saudi's and qatar.

Lebanon had better get a force together other than hezbollah ready as well. Al nusra will hit lebanon hard when assad falls. Syria is so vital and assad cannot be beaten or extremists will hit lebanon and from there who knows. Hezbollah had better be prepared along with iran. Iran has they 5000 troops waiting they need to up that figure to 50000 if possible.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...etween-Kurds-jihadists-kill-29-in-Syria-.html

Good to see the kurds giving al nusra some shyte.
 
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Tw171 said:
Considering your first point: the CIA evidence of WMD. The problem, here, is that we have a credibility issue. We know that the CIA was asked to make the facts fit the official story. John Brennan, Deputy Executive Director of the CIA, told us they were asked to lie. The whole narrative that the CIA produced is therefore in serious question, and can be dismissed on those grounds.
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Yes, we know that CIA are no angels. After all, the USA sold saddam WMD...

The second point; well, yes, everyone knows Saddam used chemical warfare during the first gulf war. There is little to say here, seeing as weapon inspectors were in Iraq in 2001, and found the old, disused armories and cataloged everything.
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Thus, they found proof of WMD.

Your third point: the article from Rod Martin. Martin references a newly-declassified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center. This is the report. It is an NIE (National Intelligence Estimate). NIEs are considered to be "estimative" products, in that they present what intelligence analysts estimate may be the course of future events. If you read the report, that is exactly what they say. “Although we have little specific information on Iraq's CW stockpile, Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents (that’s the hidden sarin).- They don’t know. This is before the Iraq Survey Group. So just guess work.

The report was in fact not a new thing at the time of the article’s publication (Jun 29 2006), the report was declassified in 2003. As to why Martin is picking it up at this point in time, I can only guess that he either misunderstood it; read it as fact instead of an estimate, or, he intentionally used it to mislead.
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So saddam had WMD and used WMD. Just the exact amount is speculation.

Thus, the question is what happened to these WMD, of which the exact amount is irrelevant, (since 1 WMD is proof that he had WMD,) just before the invasion, considering that the general view is, that they were moved to Syria and Lebanon.

"[T]hey went to Syria and Lebanon."

According to Shaw, the WMDs "were moved by Russian Spetsnaz [special forces] out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence."

Shaw was one of the first to learn of the countless (universally confirmed) Iraqi truck convoys crossing the Syrian border (and returning empty) in the run-up to the war. At the summit, he detailed how former Russian intelligence head and KGB general Yevgeni Primakov came to Iraq in December 2002 — the same month Israel's Mossad first detected the operation — to supervise the WMDs' removal. Primakov's orders were "to erase all trace" of Russia's extensive, long-term involvement in Saddam's WMD programs.

This revelation confirms what National Geospatial Intelligence Agency head Lt. General James Clapper, WMD inspector David Kay, former Justice Department official John Loftus, top Israeli General Moshe Yaalon, this author, and a host of other experts have insisted for more than three years.

Two former Iraqi generals corroborate Shaw's account as well. General Georges Sada, author of Saddam's Secrets and former second-in-command of the Iraqi air force, and General Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti, the notorious "Butcher of Basra," have separately confirmed that Iraq possessed significant chemical and biological weapons stockpiles, transported them across the Syrian border by truck and plane beginning in late 2002, and did so with Russian assistance.

Indeed, as John Loftus put it, "Every senior member of a Western, European, or Asian intelligence service whom I have ever met all agree that the Russians moved the last of the WMDs out of Iraq in the last few months before the war."

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629
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The fourth point you raise: the 2006 Intelligence Summit. First off, the Intelligence Summit is a private security sector gathering, no official links to any government intelligence agencies. It is run by Michael Cherney, who "has been investigated or blacklisted on suspicion of money laundering, illegal business deals and connections to the Russian mafia. So, not a very prestigious summit.

The speaker, ex-UN weapons inspector Bill Tierney then gave a translation of 3 hours’ worth of recorded conversation of Saddam Hussein. It was not “a first-ever translation” of the recording. The recording was fully transcribed in the Foreign Policy Journal May / June 2004 #142. There seven different translators gave the clearest version available; seeing as how it is only audio, there’s a lot of subjective interpretation going on.

Bill Tierney, just gave his translation, based on his own interpretation of the recordings. And considering that Bill believes that God is his intel, and trusts that WMDs must be in Iraq, because his friend saw it in a dream; I would be very suspicious of any of his views and findings.
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So, that taped info is subjective... The statement that "saddam had and used WMD" is not. Consider the info below, mentioning that saddam was planning on creating nuclear WMD.

Saddam confided to Piro why he had no weapons of mass destruction but pretended he did. Saddam said that because of the war of attrition he had with Iran, Iran always remained a threat to him. And if Iran thought he had serious WMD, it would be reluctant to engage him again.

On the other hand, if he said he had them, Iran would never listen. But if the U.S. said that he had WMD, Iran would believe it.

So every time inspectors came, Saddam gave them the runaround, reinforcing for Iran’s consumption the notion that he had WMD. And that explains why, if there were no WMD, he acted as if he did have them.

Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability in an incremental fashion. Aided by his payoffs to key officials, he thought that sanctions would be lifted within a year or so. He figured he could then recreate Iraq’s WMD capability, which had been essentially destroyed in 1991.

“His goal was to have the sanctions lifted,” Piro told me. “And they likely would have been lifted if it were not for 9/11. Even the United Nations changed after 9/11. So Saddam was on the right track. His plan to have sanctions lifted was working. But he told me he recognized that he miscalculated the long-term effects of 9/11. And he miscalculated President Bush.”

Months before the invasion, Saddam came to realize that war was “inevitable,” Piro says.

As a delaying tactic, he told Piro, he announced in September 2002 that he would allow weapons inspectors to return but stipulated that eight presidential compounds would be off limits.

Did Saddam ever consider coming clean with the U.S. and demonstrating that he did not have WMD?

“He didn’t give me the answer to that,” Piro says, “but I can tell you he wouldn’t have done that because that would have weakened him. He was given the opportunity to leave Iraq and go to live in Saudi Arabia and be very wealthy and very happy. The Saudis gave him the option. But what would that have done to his legacy? And if he were to have said ‘I’m bluffing,’ or ‘I’m not as strong as I present myself,’ where would he have then fit in the historical scheme of Iraq?”

http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/saddamhusseiniraqwmd/2010/09/07/id/369348
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Lastly, Ion Mihai Pacepa, the IAEA gave him a full hearing then dismissed his claims, citing that when asked for particular details, Pacepa continued to elaborate on vague 'hunches' and 'beliefs' of what 'he would have done'. I don’t think there is much there except conspiracy theory.
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His info is still valuable, regarding many issues he knows about, from his past in Romania.

The fact remains, saddam had WMD and used WMD, then later stated, that he planned to use nuclear WMD.
 
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killadoob said:
Tw i wish had time to respond, don't try argue with lightscribe he will make you pull your hair out. So pro american he never sees bad things nor does he has a drop of knowledge regarding syria.

Grant please use quotes :D.

Iraq the UN never bought the US lies, nato then attacked iraq. No weapons found

This time they have sand and have linked to assad magically, mean while russia has proved how the chemicals were used and turkey has proof the rebels have sarin gas. All proof is being ignored and sand is the one taken as the truth.

Case closed, if this was a court with a jury the US would be convicted of fabricating evidence and locked up.

The UN has come out and said the US does not have any proof. Going from fighting terror to supplying it with arms. Amazing how that works.
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I have many times now, pointed out to you, that I'm not pro USA. You on the other hand, admit and show, yourself to be rabidly anti USA.

Point out where I have been wrong, regarding the Syrian issues.

You know, like this: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=10626477&viewfull=1#post10626477

Where you answered:
killadoob said:
I don't know anything anymore to be honest, i don't know if al queda are CIA backed, i don't know if america are the good or bad guys. I am at a point where the lines have become blurred by sick people i am not seeing good guys or bad guys, just bad people fighting each other. So i am not even anti west at the moment.
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killadoob said:
http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05...tremists-with-sarin-gas-for-Syria-media-0554/

The US states claim they have no proof anyone but assad has used sarin gas. How do you defend these lies lightscribe. I know you will so it will be a good laugh to see how you can defend the US for blatantly lying and ignoring the turkish discovery.

TW watch for his defense man, kuk funny.
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I will quote this again, try stick to this post and ignore everything else. I was hoping for a laugh dude, not ignoring a glaring lie. Typical not unexpected.

So we can expect more drivel and quotes to avoid lightscribe seeing the facts. Open your eyes, seriously dude.
 
killadoob said:
http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05...tremists-with-sarin-gas-for-Syria-media-0554/

The US states claim they have no proof anyone but assad has used sarin gas. How do you defend these lies lightscribe. I know you will so it will be a good laugh to see how you can defend the US for blatantly lying and ignoring the turkish discovery.

TW watch for his defense man, kuk funny.
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Your link says this:

However, Cos said "there is no gas or anything of that sort captured as claimed," adding that they had found "some chemicals" that were still being studied by experts.
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Isn't that just kuk funny..?

Anyhow, this is old news: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=10506231&viewfull=1#post10506231

Here's even older news on the issue.

In January 2013, Russian television station RT published leaked documents from British corporation Britam Defense, which revealed a plan by Qatar to deliver chemical weapons to Homs in Syria, with the aid of Britam Defense. The British company was to provide Ukrainian personnel to act as Russian military advisors in order to implicate the Russian government in the crime. The email suggested that the Qataris were providing ‘enormous’ amounts of money for the plan and that it was approved by Washington. [5]

The Japhat Al-Nosra terrorist organization has not hidden its desire to gas the Alawite minority in Syria. A video was posted on U Tube on December 4th 2012 showing terrorists testing chemical weapons on rabbits, while vowing to exterminate Alawite Syrians in a similar fashion.[6]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkis...al-nusra-terrorists-heading-for-syria/5336917
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Interesting that assad is denying the UN unrestricted access to Syria...Guess who's lying...

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has urged Syria to give Sellstrom unfettered access to investigate all alleged chemical arms incidents. But Assad's government only wants the U.N. team to probe an incident in Aleppo from March, not others the U.S., Britain and France have written to Ban about. U.N. officials say U.N.-Syria negotiations on access have reached a deadlock.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...ss-is-in-doubt&catid=54:Governance&Itemid=118
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killadoob said:
I will quote this again, try stick to this post and ignore everything else. I was hoping for a laugh dude, not ignoring a glaring lie. Typical not unexpected.

So we can expect more drivel and quotes to avoid lightscribe seeing the facts. Open your eyes, seriously dude.
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Haha! :D You still waffling your confused BS...Classic. Take your own advice. ;)
 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkis...al-nusra-terrorists-heading-for-syria/5336917

Dude they found sarin gas, russia proved how it was delivered. Really not difficult. Russia submitted the proof to the UN. The UN rejected the US claim.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/05/suspicions-syrian-rebels.html

Interesting to see the UN is convinced the rebels are using it and not the government but won't believe it lightscribe so i may as well not bother posting it but for other people they will see the outright lie by the US again.

Lightscribe geez man please try post something with substance. Do you believe Obama has conclusive proof that assad has used chemical weapons? Why do i bother. You still believe they didn't lie in iraq.
 
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killadoob said:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkis...al-nusra-terrorists-heading-for-syria/5336917

Dude they found sarin gas, russia proved how it was delivered. Really not difficult. Russia submitted the proof to the UN. The UN rejected the US claim.
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You're ignoring the info I posted, that was "kuk funny".

However, Cos said "there is no gas or anything of that sort captured as claimed," adding that they had found "some chemicals" that were still being studied by experts.
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Also, try not to confuse yourself, or obfuscate the various details of the various issues, for others. The link you mention above, concerns what was found in Turkey. That is dealt with by the quoted part I have supplied again, from the previous, "kuk funny" link.

The gas Russia mentions, concerning that used in Syria, is a different issue. Yes, it's really not difficult...

http://www.juancole.com/2013/05/suspicions-syrian-rebels.html

Interesting to see the UN is convinced the rebels are using it and not the government but won't believe it lightscribe so i may as well not bother posting it but for other people they will see the outright lie by the US again.
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Your link says this:
A UN commission unvestigating the situation in Syria has strong, concrete suspicions that Syrian rebels used sarin gas, but does not have firm proof, according to investigator Carla del Ponti.
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...Whilst you again ignore what I posted in the "kuk funny" post...

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has urged Syria to give Sellstrom unfettered access to investigate all alleged chemical arms incidents. But Assad's government only wants the U.N. team to probe an incident in Aleppo from March, not others the U.S., Britain and France have written to Ban about. U.N. officials say U.N.-Syria negotiations on access have reached a deadlock.
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Lightscribe geez man please try post something with substance. Do you believe Obama has conclusive proof that assad has used chemical weapons? Why do i bother. You still believe they didn't lie in iraq.
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I just reposted something with substance. See above. Yapping your obfuscating lies, doesn't help you much, mmmm?

I don't care what Obama has. I have made it clear that the rebels are openly stating they will use chemical weapons. I care only that your slimy communist buddies allow the UN in.

As I have said before, the fact remains, saddam had WMD and used WMD, then later stated, that he planned to use nuclear WMD.
 
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Warnings of Al-Qaeda's strength in Syria have gone unheeded.

Though the hardline Islamist group is gaining a foothold there, Washington neocons will not allow it to form a state in Northern Syria, award-winning blogger Neil Clark tells RT.

His concern that the unity of Syria is under threat from Al-Qaeda is shared by Fahad Almarsi, a spokesman for the Free Syrian Army, who told RT that the Islamists will only divide Syria and that the majority of Syrians do not want them there.

RT: It’s not just about logistics here, but also some profit as well, as I guess Al-Qaeda is looking for profitable oil-smuggling routes and weapons supply routes as well?

Neil Clark: Absolutely. It's interesting, isn’t it, that when President Assad was warning about Al-Qaeda in Syria from 2011 onwards, but the west said he was scaremongering etc. He said that Al-Qaeda had a foothold in Syria, and now we’re hearing this from the FSA, so it’s interesting. Those of us who did warn that this would happen were dismissed as apologists for Assad, apologists for the Syrian government, and now the west has got to wake up to what’s really going on. And having said that, I think it’s very important to understand the FSA strategy here - the Free Syrian Army is very keen to get Western intervention; they have now changed their strategy and they are saying look, Al-Qaeda are going to take control here unless you intervene and help us.

RT: Who’s going to buy oil at the end of the day from Al-Qaeda?

NC: I think it’s very important to understand that one of the biggest myths in international relations of the last 30 years is that the Western powers are implacably opposed to Al-Qaeda. They are not. They will support Al-Qaeda in certain areas of the world, Libya for example, in the Balkans in the 1990’s there were Al-Qaeda linked groups etc., if they want to topple a secular regime. And so it’s a myth to think they’re a big enemy. The biggest aim of Western foreign policy in this region is to counter Iran and Hezbollah. So I don’t actually think the West will allow an Al-Qaeda state to exist. However, they’re very happy for Al-Qaeda to work to topple President Assad.
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http://rt.com/op-edge/al-qaeda-syria-threat-284/

Good interview.
 
Deadly Fighting Rages across Syria

Deadly violence raged across Syria on Sunday as regime shelling killed at least 18 civilians in the northwest while 28 rebels died in Damascus battling government forces, a monitoring group said.

The latest bloodshed came as Deputy Prime Minister Qadri Jamil was due to travel Monday to Moscow for talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on ways of ending the 28-month conflict.

At total of at least 82 people were killed in violence across Syria on Sunday, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights which relies on a network of activists and medics for its information.

The deadly shelling of Ariha by regime forces in the northwestern province of Idlib also left dozens wounded, said the Observatory, as activists denounced a "massacre" in a video posted online that showed people carrying corpses and bloodied body parts.

Observatory chief Rami Abdel Rahman said regime forces opened fire on the main market in central Ariha from positions they control on the edges of town.

It was not immediately clear what triggered the shelling, but rebels control part of Ariha while regime forces man three checkpoints inside the town.

The Observatory said clashes had erupted in Ariha over the week, as rebels try to expand their control over the town.

In the northeast Damascus flashpoint area of Adra, fierce fighting at dawn between rebels and government troops killed 28 insurgents and a member of the elite Republican Guards, Abdel Rahman said.

Adra is an entry point to the capital's Abbasiyeen Square, the target of several rebel attacks in recent months.

State news agency SANA said the army "captured several terrorists from (the Islamist) Al-Nusra Front, some of them foreign nationals," west of Adra.

Further north, the battle for Syria's second city and commercial hub Aleppo entered its second year with fighting raging around the city's international airport and nearby Nairab air base, said the Britain-based Observatory.

The violence in Aleppo comes a year after a massive rebel advance on the city, where both sides have been mired in a stalemate which insurgents have tried to break by infiltrating the regime-held Rashidin district.

Over the past year, insurgents have also fought to take Aleppo's airports, aiming to stop regime warplanes from bombing rebel areas.

The city's international airport has been closed since January.

Tens of thousands of Aleppo residents have fled the fighting which has badly damaged one of the Middle East's richest cities in terms of culture and history.

The Observatory also reported deadly violence on Sunday in the rebel-held village of Suran, in the central province of Hama, where seven civilians were killed in shelling.

It also said that six people were killed in the southern Damascus district of Yarmuk while the opposition National Coalition claimed regime forces had used "chemical weapons" in shelling Yarmuk.

Activists in Suran said all seven victims in Hama were members of the same family who had taken shelter in a makeshift shelter.

Thirteen other family members, six of them children, were also killed in the Mediterranean coastal town of Bayda -- itself the scene of a massacre in May -- and their bodies found on Sunday, the Observatory said.

First three unarmed men were shot dead outside their home in Bayda and "militiamen then broke in, and killed the women and the children," according to Abdel Rahman, who blamed the excesses on sectarian hatred.

It was unclear how the women and children died, Abdel Rahman said. "We have conflicting reports. Some say they were shot dead, others that they were burnt alive." Elsewhere, the Observatory said that Islamists battling Kurdish fighters in the northern town of Tal Abyad freed 300 Kurdish civilians they were holding prisoner in exchange for a rebel chief.

Imprisoned by Kurdish fighters late on Saturday, jihadist commander Abu Musab was reportedly released on Sunday after a night of heavy clashes between the two sides.

The violence came just days after fighters loyal to the Committees for the Protection of the Kurdish People (YPG) expelled Islamist fighters from the strategic Kurdish town of Ras al-Ain in Hasake province.

On the political front, the new leader of Syria's main opposition coalition, Ahmad Jarba, has been meeting with Egyptian and Saudi leaders ahead of a trip to Paris for talks with French President Francois Hollande.

Newspapers have quoted Jarba as saying his priority is to secure arms for the rebels and that energy-rich Gulf monarchies could set up a $400-million fund to back the opposition coalition.

The Observatory, which relies on a wide network of medics and activists on the ground, estimates that more than 100,000 people have been killed in the war.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 21 Jul 2013 21:22
 
75 rebels die in Damascus Battles

Syrian government troops killed at least 75 rebels over 24 hours in battles for control of the capital Damascus, activists said Monday, one of the deadliest single-day tolls for opposition fighters in the 2-year-old conflict.

The death toll, reported by the Britain-based Observatory for Human Rights, included 49 rebels killed in an ambush in Damascus' northeastern suburb of Adra early Sunday. The group said an elite Republican Guard unit attacked the rebels as they were trying to push into the capital, and that the government commander leading the operation also died in the ensuing gunbattle.

The group relies on reports from activists inside Syria. The Syrian state news agency SANA also reported the ambush, without giving a casualty figure.

Damascus and its suburbs have been a key battlefield for over a year, with rebels trying to push into its center from strongholds in the suburbs. Some of President Bashar Assad's most reliable units, including the Republican Guard and the 4th Division commanded by his younger brother Maher, are charged with its defense and have been trying to flush out rebels from its environs.

The Observatory reported that another 17 rebels died in fighting Sunday in clashes in Damascus neighborhoods of Qaboun and Jobar, while another nine were killed in clashes that have raged in the suburbs of Daraya, Harasta and Douma.

More than 93,000 people have died in Syria's conflict, which started in largely peaceful protests against Assad but turned into a civil war. It has taken on an increasingly sectarian tone, pitting mostly Sunni Muslim rebels against a regime dominated by Alawites, an offshoot sect of Shiite Islam.

Assad's troops have in recent weeks seized the momentum in the conflict, attacking rebels in Damascus and also in the north.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 22 Jul 2013 11:36
 
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