Want to avoid debt? Get an e-tag, says Sanral

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E-tolls: credit act won’t give you debt relief

Debt counsellors should inform their clients that the National Credit Act (NCA) does not allow for debt relief from e-tolling fees, the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) said on Wednesday
 
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Even more reason to never get tagged and never pay these ****tards a single cent.
 
Haha, getting more and more desperate by the day.
 
Mona said anyone seeking debt review would not get any relief for the amounts incurred by using the Gauteng toll road network.
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Really? Well if etrolling fees are not going to be considered for debt relief under the NCA, why does SCAMRAL's bag of extortion tricks include debt collection and judgements?
 
A judge will have to put a stop to this crap. Are there any honourable judges left?
 
How about a big fat no to SANRAL...

You are either a debt or a tax, not some weird hybrid of both...
 
Wyzak said:
A judge will have to put a stop to this crap. Are there any honourable judges left?
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the overwhelming majority of our judges are above reproach

In any event Mona is lying as to the duty as signing up for etolling renders you liable as determined by SANRAL so it creates a new debt and if SANRAL is correct a debt without consumer protection. They can advise you that it is cheaper to use etags than the full tariff but that is generally known.
 
Pretty desperate to get you to sign their contracts :P
 
scamall, has to quickly recover funds considering most of it is going to a another company....also have to pay in 7 days is BS, the end, they have to send an invoice first and allow 37 days( 7 days for invoice and another 30 days for payment), after which additional 90 days, before any sort of "legal action can be taken"

What pee's me off the most is that sanral act allows for a point demerit system to be used, in the event of failure to pay, ect which would eventually ban you from using the road or else legal action will be taken ect, the fact that they chose not to use system rather....annoys me....
 
Paul Hjul said:
the overwhelming majority of our judges are above reproach

In any event Mona is lying as to the duty as signing up for etolling renders you liable as determined by SANRAL so it creates a new debt and if SANRAL is correct a debt without consumer protection. They can advise you that it is cheaper to use etags than the full tariff but that is generally known.
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Recent controversial rulings have suggested otherwise.
 
This not only enables discounts and easy management portals, but ensures that the already financially stressed consumer acts responsibly.
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Perhaps SCAMRAL should act responsibly and not grant the stressed consumer credit?

Suggestion: Use a Fuel Levy, then there is no credit to grant?
Nah - a fuel levy is too simple - can't possibly work.
 
I have an idea, if you sign up and need help with your debt, don't spend the R50 or whatever on an etag, don't pay them, make them chase after you, by not giving an option for the NCA they are breaking the law (even more than instituting tolls without public debate and enforcing it without actually delivering on alternative routes as promised)

***** them. every single one of them. tell them in person on photos and in forums, civil disobedience is literally the only answer, and buying an etag goes against that.
 
system32 said:
Perhaps SCAMRAL should act responsibly and not grant the stressed consumer credit?

Suggestion: Use a Fuel Levy, then there is no credit to grant?
Nah - a fuel levy is too simple - can't possibly work.
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I totally agree. The argument that other provinces should also contribute is flawed. They can restrict the levy to only Gauteng and increase petrol with a R5-10 levy for Gauteng users alone.

...and fuuck sanral!
 
system32 said:
Perhaps SCAMRAL should act responsibly and not grant the stressed consumer credit?

Suggestion: Use a Fuel Levy, then there is no credit to grant?
Nah - a fuel levy is too simple - can't possibly work.
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It truly is mind-blowing.
 
House said:
I totally agree. The argument that other provinces should also contribute is flawed. They can restrict the levy to only Gauteng and increase petrol with a R5-10 levy for Gauteng users alone.

...and fuuck sanral!
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You left, why you posting troll?

Other provinces benefit from Gauteng's industry and thus tax money. Don't make us want to ring-fence taxes provincially too...

After lunch I will go search and see if I can find out what the fuel levy earns provincially.
 
House said:
I totally agree. The argument that other provinces should also contribute is flawed. They can restrict the levy to only Gauteng and increase petrol with a R5-10 levy for Gauteng users alone.

...and fuuck sanral!
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Why?

These are N-roads (national roads), not regional roads. I also don't hear that complaint when Gauteng pays the majority of the budget every year and only get a fraction in return.

Suggestion: Use a Fuel Levy, then there is no credit to grant?
Nah - a fuel levy is too simple - can't possibly work.
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You have to look at it from there angle. How do you steal money from the fuel levy? It's automated everywhere and the systems are rock solid. Very challenging task. Now consider the e-toll system.
 
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House said:
I totally agree. The argument that other provinces should also contribute is flawed. They can restrict the levy to only Gauteng and increase petrol with a R5-10 levy for Gauteng users alone.

...and fuuck sanral!
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go away
 
Emailed the article to a friend in the credit industry. The opinion. If SANRAL Wants to blacklist people, they or VPC need to register as a credit provider. Which will lead to a good argument that etolls is debt, not tax (which is current still open for debate). By registering as a credit provider, they will need to comply to the credit laws.

So, at this point, they can't blacklist you.
 
House said:
I totally agree. The argument that other provinces should also contribute is flawed. They can restrict the levy to only Gauteng and increase petrol with a R5-10 levy for Gauteng users alone.

...and fuuck sanral!
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Oh wow, the "I'm leaving FOREVAAAARZ!!!" turned out to be all of two days.
Wyzak said:
You have to look at it from there angle. How do you steal money from the fuel levy? It's automated everywhere and the systems are rock solid. Very challenging task. Now consider the e-toll system.
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The e-troll system is even more automated.

The difference is the entire automated system is set up to enable efficient stealing with minimum effort.
 
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