South African Internet pirate case delayed: report

The initial charge sheet against Norton cited claims of R126 000 loss of revenue. He was originally charged for contravention of the Counterfeit Goods Act, although it’s believed more charges will be brought before the next hearing.
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I am very interested in this matter, shame that House went loco as he had some exciting views (and insider remarks) on this case.

More/additional charges... entailing?
 
Shows you how the subconscious works.....

Going sailing this weekend with friends and all my eyes/brain took in was 'SA PIRATE case' and first thought was sh****t are the Somali pirates so desperate to come all the way south, just my luck as I'm venturing onto the great blue..

Also interested in this case. Is this the first case of this nature in SA? Cannot recall of ever hearing about something similar.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am very interested in this matter, shame that House went loco as he had some exciting views (and insider remarks) on this case.

More/additional charges... entailing?
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We've been sent around the houses on this one, but we're close to being able to confirm exactly what the charges are. The charge sheet doesn't mention the copyright act at present, which obviously SAFACT will be pushing for (on account of the fact they'll probably lose a counterfeiting case if the defence lawyer is any good). We do know that the case was referred up to the higher court and the commercial crimes unit for further investigation though - I suspect that may mean another delay yet.

Adam (htxt.africa)
 
I hate using the term pirate - copyright infingement being absolutely not piracy. Piracy is charged term deliberately used by the entertainment industry to make civil offences sound criminal. Trouble is, it's what readers understand.
 
MKFrost said:
Also interested in this case. Is this the first case of this nature in SA? Cannot recall of ever hearing about something similar.
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Apparently yes, according to SAFACT.

This will then basically set the grounds on which you can pirate in SA...

My interest is more in line with the distribution and protocols related to piracy in concern with legal content and metadata in general, especially come with services. Yes, there is nothing wrong with p2p, but this can possibly put some question marks in daily operations.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Apparently yes, according to SAFACT.

This will then basically set the grounds on which you can pirate in SA...

My interest is more in line with the distribution and protocols related to piracy in concern with legal content and metadata in general, especially come with services. Yes, there is nothing wrong with p2p, but this can possibly put some question marks in daily operations.
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And on a long-shot provide ISP's with the reasons they need to throttle torrents and the like to death and or even disallow them i.e. should it be found that this way of sharing is 'piracy'... or is this to much of a long-shot?
 
Delaying the release of the film will not make the South African public flock to the cinemas, especially when most has already seen the movie. I wonder what is the hold up for delaying the movie release?
 
Guldenpfennig said that they would bring charges against Norton in terms of the Counterfeit Goods Act and article 27 of the Copyright Act for uploading a high-profile South African film via The Pirate Bay.
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Given that you can only upload links to The Pirate Bay they must be charging him for:

  1. Uploading the movie to a server; and
  2. Linking to the movie via The Pirate Bay.
In short it appears that they are treating the case in a manner similar to that of selling counterfeit DVDs.

It seems a bit of a stretch if they intend to cover P2P downloads in this case, unless it is the upload portion of a torrent.
 
They need to investigate how this movie got leak into the public.
How did Mr Norton get hold of it.
The copy i got was dvd quality release.
 
thecueball said:
I hate using the term pirate - copyright infingement being absolutely not piracy. Piracy is charged term deliberately used by the entertainment industry to make civil offences sound criminal. Trouble is, it's what readers understand.
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All they will end up doing is diluting the meaning of it, nobody bats an eyelid when it is mentioned today but I'm sure 200 years ago a pirate was the scum of the earth.
 
Odracir said:
Delaying the release of the film will not make the South African public flock to the cinemas, especially when most has already seen the movie. I wonder what is the hold up for delaying the movie release?
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Incompetence and stupidity, the second it leaked online they should have brought the release forward.
 
Nduimiso said:
All they will end up doing is diluting the meaning of it, nobody bats an eyelid when it is mentioned today but I'm sure 200 years ago a pirate was the scum of the earth.
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If he worked for the British Crown he was the scum of the earth for the Spanish and French when he plundered their ships and killed their people. Pirate for some, privateer for others. Even a hero for those whose side he was on.
 
Nduimiso said:
Incompetence and stupidity, the second it leaked online they should have brought the release forward.
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How many South Africans download the film? Was it even worth doing that? Maybe a few hundred to a few thousand. That's not a huge loss in terms of tickets. And not all of those people were customers anyway. And some of those pirates will buy the DVD.
 
I'd say that the problem in todays time is, they make it too easy to install a torrent client and search and download content. So easy, that the average layman of today can do it and some of them do it so easy that they don't even know that they just crossed a line. Just look what happens when ISP's speed drops or connections drop, MyBB is swamped with people complaining that they can't download. They're so addicted that they can't handle a few hours down time per month. Some even boasting download volumes of 200GB plus per month (they can't tell me that that is just from streaming), and they boast with such ease, not batting a eye or trying to hide the fact that they download torrents.

EDIT: Back in the day we mostly download free stuff from BBS's and so on.
 
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It's not about how many downloaded the movie but rather how many people has seen it thus far. The quality I've seen is of dvd quality.

Space_Chief said:
How many South Africans download the film? Was it even worth doing that? Maybe a few hundred to a few thousand. That's not a huge loss in terms of tickets. And not all of those people were customers anyway. And some of those pirates will buy the DVD.
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